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[Bananiot]

Like a true bananiot, Christofias is now saying that the dreaded angloamericans are behind the recent events because they do not want to see progress being made on the Cyprob. See today's "Gmomi" the satirical newspaper of AKEL.

[Sotos]

Lets hope Christofias will not blow up the whole Cyprus just to satisfy some foreigners.

You mean Iran, Syria, and Russia?

Iran and Syria have no interest in the Cyprus Problem and Russia has only been helpful. The foreigners I am talking about are those who occupy parts of our island... the Turks and the British and the Americans who are behind both of them. Those foreigners who want to force Cyprus to accept something like Annan plan. Those foreigners who wanted to get rid of the best president Cyprus ever had, Tasos Papadopoulos, because he had the balls to do what is right for Cyprus!

[CBBB]

Lets hope Christofias will not blow up the whole Cyprus just to satisfy some foreigners.

You mean Iran, Syria, and Russia?

Iran and Syria have no interest in the Cyprus Problem and Russia has only been helpful. The foreigners I am talking about are those who occupy parts of our island... the Turks and the British and the Americans who are behind both of them. Those foreigners who want to force Cyprus to accept something like Annan plan. Those foreigners who wanted to get rid of the best president Cyprus ever had, Tasos Papadopoulos, because he had the balls to do what is right for Cyprus!

But the foreigners Christophias was trying to satisfy by hanging on to those containers were, as I said, the Iranians, the Syrians, and the Russians.

[bizzybabe]

I'm afraid everyone that you will never be able to argue with Sotos, president and his kind. Even if they are shown to be totally in the wrong they will still insist they are right.

It seems their generation is stuck in the past. Stuck in a 1950's mentality and thinks everyone else is too. But you cannot reach for the future if you are looking back at the past.

Case in point: in the 2nd world war England got the S**T bombed out of it by the Germans. Now what the current English generations could do is still be sitting around seething about it and deciding that all ill's in UK are due to the Germans in WW2. This would be the Cypriot way of doing things.

However the English have moved on, are now friends and trade allies with Germany and for that reason our position in the world is much stronger. Because instead of hating the rest of the world and blaming it for everything, we work with it instead.

I like Cyprus, its a good country. Its not a great country but it has the potential to be one. But it will only become one with strong, moral leadership that is informed by the future rather than wallowing in the past. Cyprus needs to embrace the fact that its now a multi national country. Greek is not even the majority language spoken here any more. And i don't believe Sotos and the like when they claim that only 10% of the island is foreign. Out of season in Paralimni, Agia Napa, Larnaca and Limmasol you have only to walk the street to see and hear a huge ethnic diversity. The old "10%" line is i fear either wishful thinking or figures that are now way out dated. Cypriots have gone out of their way to sell as much of their island as they can to foreigners.

This diversity has the ability to make Cyprus a stronger better island. If only embraced and used well. I think the new generation of Cypriots are looking at the future this way. But their leaders are not. I have news for their leaders, the new generation will lead the way whether they like it or not. They will be left behind, sitting in the mens cafe, drinking the endless coffee and re telling yet again that all Cyprus woes are the fault of everyone except Cyprus.

The rest of Cyprus looks on in derision.

[Sotos]

Lets hope Christofias will not blow up the whole Cyprus just to satisfy some foreigners.

You mean Iran, Syria, and Russia?

Iran and Syria have no interest in the Cyprus Problem and Russia has only been helpful. The foreigners I am talking about are those who occupy parts of our island... the Turks and the British and the Americans who are behind both of them. Those foreigners who want to force Cyprus to accept something like Annan plan. Those foreigners who wanted to get rid of the best president Cyprus ever had, Tasos Papadopoulos, because he had the balls to do what is right for Cyprus!

But the foreigners Christophias was trying to satisfy by hanging on to those containers were, as I said, the Iranians, the Syrians, and the Russians.

He was also trying to satisfy the Americans. If it wasn't for the Americans the containers would never come to Cyprus. And in the Cyprus Problem case the foreigners who have interests for certain kind of solution are the Turks and the British who have troops on Cyprus.

[Bananiot]

Well said buzzybabe, excellent post.

[Sotos]

I'm afraid everyone that you will never be able to argue with Sotos, president and his kind. Even if they are shown to be totally in the wrong they will still insist they are right.

It seems their generation is stuck in the past. Stuck in a 1950's mentality and thinks everyone else is too. But you cannot reach for the future if you are looking back at the past.

Case in point: in the 2nd world war England got the S**T bombed out of it by the Germans. Now what the current English generations could do is still be sitting around seething about it and deciding that all ill's in UK are due to the Germans in WW2. This would be the Cypriot way of doing things.

However the English have moved on, are now friends and trade allies with Germany and for that reason our position in the world is much stronger. Because instead of hating the rest of the world and blaming it for everything, we work with it instead.

I like Cyprus, its a good country. Its not a great country but it has the potential to be one. But it will only become one with strong, moral leadership that is informed by the future rather than wallowing in the past. Cyprus needs to embrace the fact that its now a multi national country. Greek is not even the majority language spoken here any more. And i don't believe Sotos and the like when they claim that only 10% of the island is foreign. Out of season in Paralimni, Agia Napa, Larnaca and Limmasol you have only to walk the street to see and hear a huge ethnic diversity. The old "10%" line is i fear either wishful thinking or figures that are now way out dated. Cypriots have gone out of their way to sell as much of their island as they can to foreigners.

This diversity has the ability to make Cyprus a stronger better island. If only embraced and used well. I think the new generation of Cypriots are looking at the future this way. But their leaders are not. I have news for their leaders, the new generation will lead the way whether they like it or not. They will be left behind, sitting in the mens cafe, drinking the endless coffee and re telling yet again that all Cyprus woes are the fault of everyone except Cyprus.

The rest of Cyprus looks on in derision.

How much of Britain is currently occupied by Germany? I would like to see how much you would "move on" if the Germans had occupied 1/3rd of your country. Cyprus has a lot of foreigners and some of them are uneducated chavs and rednecks like yourself. But their number is about 10% (the legal ones at least) ... they just concentrate in certain areas. And that 10% of foreigners are mostly middle/low class. Most do not own property in Cyprus. There are just some 1000s that do and out of those only very few own a lot of land (like some rich Russians). The rest just own some small plot or an apartment (fraction of a plot). You think that compares with the amounts of land that Cypriots own in Cyprus?

[Sotos]

Well said buzzybabe, excellent post.

Last elections I voted for Papadopoulos. You voted for Christofias. Are you going to admit your mistake now?

[Jerry]

I'm afraid everyone that you will never be able to argue with Sotos, president and his kind. Even if they are shown to be totally in the wrong they will still insist they are right.

It seems their generation is stuck in the past. Stuck in a 1950's mentality and thinks everyone else is too. But you cannot reach for the future if you are looking back at the past.

Case in point: in the 2nd world war England got the S**T bombed out of it by the Germans. Now what the current English generations could do is still be sitting around seething about it and deciding that all ill's in UK are due to the Germans in WW2. This would be the Cypriot way of doing things.

However the English have moved on, are now friends and trade allies with Germany and for that reason our position in the world is much stronger. Because instead of hating the rest of the world and blaming it for everything, we work with it instead.

I like Cyprus, its a good country. Its not a great country but it has the potential to be one. But it will only become one with strong, moral leadership that is informed by the future rather than wallowing in the past. Cyprus needs to embrace the fact that its now a multi national country. Greek is not even the majority language spoken here any more. And i don't believe Sotos and the like when they claim that only 10% of the island is foreign. Out of season in Paralimni, Agia Napa, Larnaca and Limmasol you have only to walk the street to see and hear a huge ethnic diversity. The old "10%" line is i fear either wishful thinking or figures that are now way out dated. Cypriots have gone out of their way to sell as much of their island as they can to foreigners.

This diversity has the ability to make Cyprus a stronger better island. If only embraced and used well. I think the new generation of Cypriots are looking at the future this way. But their leaders are not. I have news for their leaders, the new generation will lead the way whether they like it or not. They will be left behind, sitting in the mens cafe, drinking the endless coffee and re telling yet again that all Cyprus woes are the fault of everyone except Cyprus.

The rest of Cyprus looks on in derision.

How much of Britain is currently occupied by Germany? I would like to see how much you would "move on" if the Germans had occupied 1/3rd of your country. Cyprus has a lot of foreigners and some of them are uneducated chavs and rednecks like yourself. But their number is about 10% (the legal ones at least) ... they just concentrate in certain areas. And that 10% of foreigners are mostly middle/low class. Most do not own property in Cyprus. There are just some 1000s that do and out of those only very few own a lot of land (like some rich Russians). The rest just own some small plot or an apartment (fraction of a plot). You think that compares with the amounts of land that Cypriots own in Cyprus?

I have to agree with Sotos in part. The UK does not occupy Germany nor does it flog off German property to third parties. It's not a valid comparison. Those countries that have had (and still have) an interest in Cyprus must share some of the blame for the current situation, they devised/imposed the Zurich Agreement - not the Cypriots

[supporttheunderdog]

Lets hope Christofias will not blow up the whole Cyprus just to satisfy some foreigners.

You mean Iran, Syria, and Russia?

Iran and Syria have no interest in the Cyprus Problem and Russia has only been helpful. The foreigners I am talking about are those who occupy parts of our island... the Turks and the British and the Americans who are behind both of them. Those foreigners who want to force Cyprus to accept something like Annan plan. Those foreigners who wanted to get rid of the best president Cyprus ever had, Tasos Papadopoulos, because he had the balls to do what is right for Cyprus!

This comment is woefully off-Topic.

What ever events lead to the seizure of the explosives by Cyprus, they did NOT directly cause the explosion, so it is no good blaming foreigners or the Zurich agreement for this particular event. It is also NOT linked to the illegal occupation of the North by the Turkish Army.



The direct cuse of the explosion was incompetance of those who were principally responsible for planning the storage and the later care of the containers, which should never have been stacked in a large block stow: the only reason for making a very large mass of exposives in a block is to make a big bang.



They should have been (and I asume were ) properly checked to identify what the contents were and then any with expolsives should have been segregated and stacked individually so that if one should go bang it woul not take the others with it, or at least reduce the propensity for a major bang, of the sort we had here: indeed for preference the most dangerous containers should have been emptied of their contents and these should have been placed in proper bunker storage.

This was a contuining failure through-out the time thse boxes were in that stack.

One big question must be what expertise do we actually have in the care of explosives?

Even on July the 6th, and up to the day before the bang, I suspect this tragic event was preventable as once it became clear that at least one container had problems the stack should have been dismantled and the cotainers opened up (and if needed emptied) but no-one apppeard to be decisive and everything was left to a committee, which in my opinion can be one of the best way to cause delays.

It is this failure of Ministries and the Presendential office , who had two special advisors presents at the critical meeting, to act promptly and deciosvley that in my view makes the whole government culpbale for the tragic but avoidable deaths of the brave individuals.

My thoughts are with the families of those who lost loved ones, and as a parent of twins myself, particularly the parents of the twins who tragically not only entered the world together, but left it due to the gross incomptence of the government and its organisations, who were responsible for their safety.




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