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[B25]

At last some time frames...let see what these two will agree until October referendum early 2012 with a solution before June 2012.....The target s a united island to take the presidency of the EU.

Here is my prediction........ nothing will happen, we wll not be held to ranson by pseudo time frames to suit turkey.

Turkey holds the key, get out of cyprus and we'll talk, simples really. You can wet dream on.

Cyprus will hold the EU presidency and Turkey can go F itself.

[Viewpoint]

When have we claimed that Turkey will not get out of Cyprus? once a solution is found we can wave the goodbye together.

[Kikapu]

At last some time frames...let see what these two will agree until October referendum early 2012 with a solution before June 2012.....The target s a united island to take the presidency of the EU.

Asking for convergence on issues by October is not by itself a "time frame", but rather Ban Ki-moon wants to light the fire under the butts of those who are negotiating to start negotiating, rather than delaying and more delaying. There is nothing Ban Ki-moon can do, and neither can Turkey, to force an agreement on the RoC (GCs) if it does not meet Democracy and the EU Principles. Unless Turkey (TCs) start getting serious to a settlement based on Democracy and EU Principles, there is no way the RoC (GCs) would agree to anything like the AP, since that would be just as bad, if not worse, than the north getting recognition if the RoC were to be somehow punished for not agreeing to something like another AP. The RoC (GCs) holds the trump card on Turkey (TCs), which is the EU membership, that she will be able to use her EU position to bargain the north away from Turkey in return for lifting her EU veto over Turkey's EU membership at some point in the future. By the RoC (GCs) agreeing to anything like the AP, not only she will lose the north to Turkey (TCs), but also lose any trump card she may have over Turkey's EU membership, as well as lose her own sovereignty, which would allow Turkey to control Cyprus as she wants. Any forced "time frames" can ONLY hurt Turkey (TCs) if a settlement does not come about, AND, if Turkey (TCs) do not make an attempt for the settlement to be based on Democracy and EU Principles.

[B25]

Kiks, may I remind you that the TCs have no say in any solution. You should just draw your attention to Turkey, because it is she that is in charge. Only the TCs have not yet understood that. Turkey will try and form some cock and ball solution to suit her, as she once said "Who the hell do you think you are, you ungrateful Parasites".

VP is just pissing in the wind, he has no clout, no say and is at turkeys mercy. And he thinks he was saved!

[Kikapu]

"Former UN envoy de Soto suggests unilateralism to solve Cyprus impasse"

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-250025- ... passe.html

[ZoC]

Re: Cyprus needs an asphyxiating time frame!
By Max Gevers
Published on July 10, 2011

whereas max gevers just needs asphyxiating.

[Sotos]

At last some time frames...let see what these two will agree until October referendum early 2012 with a solution before June 2012.....The target s a united island to take the presidency of the EU.

You supposedly want solution by June 2012? We want solution NOW. You have delayed the solution for 37 years already. You created the Cyprus Problem by invading our island and you maintain the problem by continuing to illegally occupy our land. You don't want a solution. You want a dissolution of Republic of Cyprus. If you wanted a solution you would have obeyed the UN resolution since 1974. You don't want a solution. You want dissolution and the partition of Cyprus.

RESOLUTION 353 (1974)

Adopted by the Security Council at its 1771st meeting,
on 20 July 1974



The Security Council,

Having considered the report of the Secretary-General, at its 1779th meeting, about the recent developments in Cyprus,

Having heard the statement of the President of the Republic of Cyprus and the statements of the representatives of Cyprus, Turkey, Greece and other Member States,

Noting also from the report the conditions prevailing in the island,

Deeply deploring the outbreak of violence and the continuing bloodshed,

Gravely concerned about the situation which has led to a serious threat to international peace and security, and which has created a most explosive situation in the whole Eastern Mediterranean area,

Equally concerned about the necessity to restore the constitutional structure of the Republic of Cyprus, established and guaranteed by international agreements,

Conscious of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in accordance with Article 24 of the Charter of the United Nations,

1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

2.Calls upon all parties to the present fighting as a first step to cease all firing and requests all States to exercise the utmost restraint and to refrain from any action which might further aggravate the situation;

3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus that is in contravention of the provisions of paragraph 1 above;

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present otherwise than under the authority of international agreements, including those whose withdrawal was requested by the President of the Republic of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios, in his letter of 2 July 1974;

5. Calls upon Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to enter into negotiations without delay for the restoration of peace in the area and constitutional government of Cyprus and to keep the Secretary-General informed;

6. Calls upon all parties to co-operate fully with the United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus to enable it to carry out its mandate;

7. Decides to keep the situation under constant review and asks the Secretary-General to report as appropriate with a view to adopting further measures in order to ensure that peaceful conditions are restored as soon as possible.

Adopted unanimously at the 1781st meeting.

[Viewpoint]

A timetable is vital to get GCs to move forward other wise they will negotiate forever.

[ZoC]

A timetable is vital to get GCs to move forward other wise they will negotiate forever.

if it pisses u off, good.

[Kikapu]

A timetable is vital to get GCs to move forward other wise they will negotiate forever.

Time tables are great if all the parties are negotiating in good faith.

Were all the parties negotiating in good faith ?

What was preventing the north to start discussing the property and territory issues for the last 2+ years if you wanted to save time ?