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Then were are 50% there...all we have to is ensure that the reserved seats are taken by the reps in the north.

So now we are back to my BBF plan again after a full 360° turn. I'm glad you have finally seen the common sense in what the TCs needs to do to take full advantage of the "reserved seats" in the Upper House, which would give them the 50% power, Democratically. All that needs to happen in order for a settlement to be reached, is that the TCs become the overwhelming majority in the north state, and for that to happen, the overwhelming majority of the GCs whose land is now in the north, becomes part of the south state. You can determine yourself how big a majority the TCs need to be in the north state to safeguards those "reserved seats" by how much GC land is returned. The more safeguards you want, the more GC land you will need to return.

I disagree.

Whether the north state be 10% or 37% the risk is the same, so this is where we get stuck...I agree that land should be returned so that as many refugees as possible return but there has to a system which is not remotely open to manipulation in favour of either community and you plan in this sense is flawed.

[Kikapu]

Then were are 50% there...all we have to is ensure that the reserved seats are taken by the reps in the north.

So now we are back to my BBF plan again after a full 360° turn. I'm glad you have finally seen the common sense in what the TCs needs to do to take full advantage of the "reserved seats" in the Upper House, which would give them the 50% power, Democratically. All that needs to happen in order for a settlement to be reached, is that the TCs become the overwhelming majority in the north state, and for that to happen, the overwhelming majority of the GCs whose land is now in the north, becomes part of the south state. You can determine yourself how big a majority the TCs need to be in the north state to safeguards those "reserved seats" by how much GC land is returned. The more safeguards you want, the more GC land you will need to return.

I disagree.

Whether the north state be 10% or 37% the risk is the same, so this is where we get stuck...I agree that land should be returned so that as many refugees as possible return but there has to a system which is not remotely open to manipulation in favour of either community and you plan in this sense is flawed.

Well, I disagree with you that you think that my plan is flawed regarding that, regardless of how much land is returned to the GCs, that the manipulation can still occur. If you think that is the case, then ask for the "Grandfathered-in Population" clause, and since you want to see as many GC refugees can get their land back to be part of the south state, it can be a win-win situation for everyone concerned that you return substantial amount of it back. It will also be cheaper to return most of the GCs properties back to them than trying to buy them off, which we all know that the north does not have the money to do so. In any case, since the TCs needs to be the majority in the north, that would mean that overwhelming number of settlers would need to return back to Turkey, therefore, the north state does not need to be so big in size, because they won't have enough people to run the place, which also means, that the north state won't be able to generate too much taxes to have to pay for a bloated public sector. The more land you have, the more people you will need to run the place, but you cannot have too many people, or else the TCs cannot remain the majority. Do you not see the problem of what will happen if you have too much land.? It will remain mostly under used/under developed and you still need to pay the GCs for it, which you don't have the money to do so.

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This is why the Cyprus problem will never be solved as we cannot agree on very important issues. You think that returning land will ensure the TCs remain the majority in the north state. Do you really feel that TCs will leave their home and move into a tiny state which can easily be manipulated which is what i mean by leaving the door wide open to take the one seat necessary therefore power over the whole island. How do you propose to get people to leave the area of say Lefke let alone rehouse these people in the north state?

Drastically reducing land automatically reduces our numbers and weakens your plan clearly showing its obvious flaws. You have to get as many TCs to stay put as possible in the north state to strike a balance otherwise lower numbers of TCs is much easier to swamp than larger numbers over larger areas to which GCs will probably never return.

You have to think of a more full proof system that does not leave the door wide open for GCs to enter when they wish.

Reserved seat for TC and GC MPs and a minimum % required when passing bills is a must otherwise its to risky to take the leap of faith you ask for.

[Kikapu]

This is why the Cyprus problem will never be solved as we cannot agree on very important issues. You think that returning land will ensure the TCs remain the majority in the north state. Do you really feel that TCs will leave their home and move into a tiny state which can easily be manipulated which is what i mean by leaving the door wide open to take the one seat necessary therefore power over the whole island. How do you propose to get people to leave the area of say Lefke let alone rehouse these people in the north state?

Drastically reducing land automatically reduces our numbers and weakens your plan clearly showing its obvious flaws. You have to get as many TCs to stay put as possible in the north state to strike a balance otherwise lower numbers of TCs is much easier to swamp than larger numbers over larger areas to which GCs will probably never return.

You have to think of a more full proof system that does not leave the door wide open for GCs to enter when they wish.

Reserved seat for TC and GC MPs and a minimum % required when passing bills is a must otherwise its to risky to take the leap of faith you ask for.

The Cyprus problem hasn't been solved, it's because some want it to be solved within the boundaries of Democracy, Human Rights, International law and since 2004, within EU Principles, and others want it to be solved outside the above principles. You are still proposing a solution based on outside the boundaries of the above principles, even today, when Cyprus is in the EU. Therefore, if a solution is not found, we know what the reasons are, don't we?

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No we dont please clarify.

[Kikapu]

No we dont please clarify.

It is self explanatory, VP.

Why don't you tell us your version as to why there hasn't been a settlement so far?

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NO TRUST

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can you now clarify why?

[Kikapu]

NO TRUST

By whom?

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NO TRUST

By whom?

Who do you think?