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[Kikapu]

The principles I put forward can also be adopted and adjusted to a BBF where theres a will theres a way....but you plan would give the north to the GCs on a plate with in a very short period of time.

No matter how much you try to put a square peg into a round hole, it will never fit and the same is with your demands in a Democratic and EU Principles Europe, specially when you haven't given up on your Taksim Dreams yet.? By you not given up on your Taksim Dreams, anything and everything you propose which is outside Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and EU Principles can only mean that you want to use your proposals to bring about Taksim and hand Cyprus on a plate to Turkey, and the AP was a perfect example, therefore, sorry to say this, but you cannot be trusted to do the right thing when you make proposals outside these parameters when you haven't even given up on your Taksim Dreams. But then again, had you given up on your Taksim Dreams and Turkey has given up on controlling Cyprus, then there wouldn't be any need to look for a settlement based outside the above principles. Think about it for a minute.

[Viewpoint]

Do TCs have to jump into the fire to satisfy your dream of handing the whole island to the GCs on a plate? What will you ask for if the above principles were applied from the TCs to prove that Taksim will never happen. Why would TCs want Taksim if the lived in a prosperous BBF with GCs?

[antifon]

The problem is the sick way tCypriots have been brainwashed to understand "equality". Some, the weaker ones, have even come to believe Turkey's version of "equality", which naturally must not apply in Turkey itself at all costs.

First equality in Turkey between Kurds and Turks, then we see which version to apply in EU Cyprus. For in the soon to be Turko-Kurdish Federation Kurds can claim legality over their homogeneous land. tCypriots can't & never will!

[Kikapu]

Do TCs have to jump into the fire to satisfy your dream of handing the whole island to the GCs on a plate? What will you ask for if the above principles were applied from the TCs to prove that Taksim will never happen. Why would TCs want Taksim if the lived in a prosperous BBF with GCs?

That's just it. The TCs and the GCs wouldn't be able to live in a prosperous Cyprus under a BBF if you demand undemocratic, Human Rights violations, International law violations and EU Principle violations, which you will then say, "see, it doesn't work, therefore we should now have Taksim with the 37% of the north with it's already agreed to and established boundaries to become borders of two separate states". I have already seen that movie with the 1960 agreements, which is why you need to come to a Unified Cyprus with "good intentions", and to prove your good intentions, you need to embrace Democracy with the EU Principles. Unless you do that, I wouldn't trust you or any one else any further than I can throw you and others.

[Viewpoint]

Do TCs have to jump into the fire to satisfy your dream of handing the whole island to the GCs on a plate? What will you ask for if the above principles were applied from the TCs to prove that Taksim will never happen. Why would TCs want Taksim if the lived in a prosperous BBF with GCs?

That's just it. The TCs and the GCs wouldn't be able to live in a prosperous Cyprus under a BBF if you demand undemocratic, Human Rights violations, International law violations and EU Principle violations, which you will then say, "see, it doesn't work, therefore we should now have Taksim with the 37% of the north with it's already agreed to and established boundaries to become borders of two separate states". I have already seen that movie with the 1960 agreements, which is why you need to come to a Unified Cyprus with "good intentions", and to prove your good intentions, you need to embrace Democracy with the EU Principles. Unless you do that, I wouldn't trust you or any one else any further than I can throw you and others.

Whats wrong with the reserved seats system? why are you so hell bent on leaving the door wide open to manipulation and danger?

[Kikapu]

Do TCs have to jump into the fire to satisfy your dream of handing the whole island to the GCs on a plate? What will you ask for if the above principles were applied from the TCs to prove that Taksim will never happen. Why would TCs want Taksim if the lived in a prosperous BBF with GCs?

That's just it. The TCs and the GCs wouldn't be able to live in a prosperous Cyprus under a BBF if you demand undemocratic, Human Rights violations, International law violations and EU Principle violations, which you will then say, "see, it doesn't work, therefore we should now have Taksim with the 37% of the north with it's already agreed to and established boundaries to become borders of two separate states". I have already seen that movie with the 1960 agreements, which is why you need to come to a Unified Cyprus with "good intentions", and to prove your good intentions, you need to embrace Democracy with the EU Principles. Unless you do that, I wouldn't trust you or any one else any further than I can throw you and others.

Whats wrong with the reserved seats system? why are you so hell bent on leaving the door wide open to manipulation and danger?

You will have "reserved seats" for the north state, but not just for the majority (TCs) ONLY. What you need to do is to find a way to keep those "reserved seats" in a Democratic way with the EU Principles. Once you accept Democracy and the EU Principles, you will know how to make those "reserved seats" to benefit the majority (TCs) in the north. But it will not come cheap, which will be your contribution of making a compromise.

If you cannot trust Democracy as used all over the EU, then don't ask the rest of us to trust anything that is not Democratic with EU Principles.

[Viewpoint]

Then were are 50% there...all we have to is ensure that the reserved seats are taken by the reps in the north.

[Kikapu]

Then were are 50% there...all we have to is ensure that the reserved seats are taken by the reps in the north.

So now we are back to my BBF plan again after a full 360° turn. I'm glad you have finally seen the common sense in what the TCs needs to do to take full advantage of the "reserved seats" in the Upper House, which would give them the 50% power, Democratically. All that needs to happen in order for a settlement to be reached, is that the TCs become the overwhelming majority in the north state, and for that to happen, the overwhelming majority of the GCs whose land is now in the north, becomes part of the south state. You can determine yourself how big a majority the TCs need to be in the north state to safeguards those "reserved seats" by how much GC land is returned. The more safeguards you want, the more GC land you will need to return.

[Nikitas]

"Enosis is no longer a political objective of the Greek Cypriots. If anything, the Turkish Cypriots are suffering from a strange “double enosis”! "

Finally it is sinking in. As for VP reiterating yet again about assimilation, a noble attempt to donfuse the issue, it is worth repeating the fundamental false assumption: the GCs have no desire to absorb the TCs. What IS happening, and VP and neopartitionists will not admit, is that the TCs have been absorbed into the colonists.

Those that engineered this result, the Denktashes and Co, should answer for their betrayal of the TC community because they misrepresented their final goal which had nothing whatsoever to do with saving the TCs.

[Viewpoint]

"Enosis is no longer a political objective of the Greek Cypriots. If anything, the Turkish Cypriots are suffering from a strange “double enosis”! "

Finally it is sinking in. As for VP reiterating yet again about assimilation, a noble attempt to donfuse the issue, it is worth repeating the fundamental false assumption: the GCs have no desire to absorb the TCs. What IS happening, and VP and neopartitionists will not admit, is that the TCs have been absorbed into the colonists.

Those that engineered this result, the Denktashes and Co, should answer for their betrayal of the TC community because they misrepresented their final goal which had nothing whatsoever to do with saving the TCs.

Whats so bad about being absorbed by your roots? why do you see this as a threat? The alternative is being forced into minority status in a GC state.

When its Turks vs GCs the majority of TCs would choose the Turks every time we have so more in common with them.