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by **Viewpoint** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:27 pm

What will happen, lets have some predictions.

by **Sotos** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:52 pm

Nothing will happen. Everybody will say that the Cyprus Problem should be solved as soon as possible but nothing will happen because Turkey and TCs illegally occupy north Cyprus and do not want to obey the laws.

by **Viewpoint** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:17 pm

I agree nothing will happen but for different reasons the GC do not want a BBF with political equality as that would mean sharing equally with TCs who they view are just a minority and should know their place. The GCs already have what they want why should they share?

by **bill cobbett** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:I agree nothing will happen but for different reasons the GC do not want a BBF with political equality as that would mean sharing equally with TCs who they view are just a minority and should know their place. The GCs already have what they want why should they share?

Reh VP pack it in with the generalisations and also with what people want...

... cos a settlement won't be about what people want (as you put it), it'll be about what people agree to at refs. Let me put it this way ... I want a Unitary State, You want a Two Countries Partition... both of us, in our Maximalist Ways, want very, very different and incompatible things and both of us will be unhappy with settlements that fall short of our maximalist demands, but would agree as long as the other was equally unhappy.

The settlement articles will probably be terms that no side wants, what will be unpalatable to both, but as long as one side is seen to lose as much as the other side, where you lose as much as I do, they'll be a chance of agreement, of passing the tests at referenda.

Once again for the record, Pres X says time and time again the settlement will be a BBF within the UN Guidelines and EU Principles and one that respects the Rights of all CYs, which is something that the people in the Free Areas may not want, but which a majority will agree to, if there is movement on Territory.

by **Viewpoint** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:16 pm

What is positive for one side is considered negative for the other so any proposals will be rejected by one side as the GCs did during the AP referendum. the chasm and expectations are just to wide and will never be bridged although both sides are going through the motions there is no real belief that a solution will ever be found. Think about it for just one moment the GCs have 63% of he island and sole recognition with having to in-cooperate the as they see it "troublesome" TCs, why should they want a solution all they have do is to be seen wanting a solution to keep the poor refugees in tow dreaming that they will one day return and everything will be as it was.

by **kurupetos** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:23 pm

That's what we expect for preparation til doomsday.

by **Kikapu** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:29 pm

Viewpoint wrote:I agree nothing will happen but for different reasons the GC do not want a BBF with political equality as that would mean sharing equally with TCs who they view are just a minority and should know their place. The GCs already have what they want why should they share?

That's just your BBF wish as in the AP before 2004. In reality, BBF post 2004 with EU Principles is much different BBF than before 2004. You should really learn how Federations work, and also how Federations work with the EU Principles. If you learned this, you wouldn't be here sprouting rubbish just to provoke people with your wishes that cannot be accommodated. :idea:

by **bill cobbett** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:What is positive for one side is considered negative for the other so any proposals will be rejected by one side as the GCs did during the AP referendum. the chasm and expectations are just to wide and will never be bridged although both sides are going through the motions there is no real belief that a solution will ever be found. Think about it for just one moment the GCs have 63% of he island and sole recognition with having to in-cooperate the as they see it "troublesome" TCs, why should they want a solution all they have do is to be seen wanting a solution to keep the poor refugees in tow dreaming that they will one day return and everything will be as it was.

Do wish you'd pack it in with the negative waves and the AP, esp on a Friday night VP.

You haven't read a word of what I posted have you?

Anyway, let me give you some thoughts about refugeeship and the refugees.

Yes, it's only natural that any CY has a strong attachment to the old villages, but in practise when people in other conflicts, in other parts of the world, have had the choice of up-rooting, of physically returning, where old property rights have been recognised, very few actually return. They may choose to sell, they may choose to let the old properties, and a few, and it will be a small percentage, will choose to return.

That's not to say the Dream of Return isn't very real and isn't extremely widely held, we all know that is, but emotional ties are just that, emotions. Our choices in the real world are so often very different.

Think again about the obvious for a bit, and we've done it many times over the years, why should someone who has lived, brought up a family, has work, has a business in Paphos want to return to Kyrenia? .... or why should someone in the same situation currently living in Kyrenia want to return to Paphos?

Both may still want their rights recognised, so an awful lot of people will have to start coming to arrangements with property owners.

by **Viewpoint** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:17 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:What is positive for one side is considered negative for the other so any proposals will be rejected by one side as the GCs did during the AP referendum. the chasm and expectations are just to wide and will never be bridged although both sides are going through the motions there is no real belief that a solution will ever be found. Think about it for just one moment the GCs have 63% of he island and sole recognition with having to in-cooperate the as they see it "troublesome" TCs, why should they want a solution all they have do is to be seen wanting a solution to keep the poor refugees in tow dreaming that they will one day return and everything will be as it was.

Do wish you'd pack it in with the negative waves and the AP, esp on a Friday night VP.

You haven't read a word of what I posted have you?

Anyway, let me give you some thoughts about refugeeship and the refugees.

Yes, it's only natural that any CY has a strong attachment to the old villages, but in practise when people in other conflicts, in other parts of the world, have had the choice of up-rooting, of physically returning, where old property rights have been recognised, very few actually return. They may choose to sell, they may choose to let the old properties, and a few, and it will be a small percentage, will choose to return.

That's not to say the Dream of Return isn't very real and isn't extremely widely held, we all know that is, but emotional ties are just that, emotions. Our choices in the real world are so often very different.

Think again about the obvious for a bit, and we've done it many times over the years, why should someone who has lived, brought up a family, has work, has a business in Paphos want to return to Kyrenia? .... or why should someone in the same situation currently living in Kyrenia want to return to Paphos?

Both may still want their rights recognised, so an awful lot of people will have to start coming to arrangements with property owners.

Obviously its you that has not read what I have written, the dream is what is being exploited by GC leaders, they keep this alive knowing full well that it will never happen and that they have everything they want a Gc Cyprus with no TCs in it...now do you get why they do not and will never find a solution?

by **Viewpoint** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:18 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:I agree nothing will happen but for different reasons the GC do not want a BBF with political equality as that would mean sharing equally with TCs who they view are just a minority and should know their place. The GCs already have what they want why should they share?

That's just your BBF wish as in the AP before 2004. In reality, BBF post 2004 with EU Principles is much different BBF than before 2004. You should really learn how Federations work, and also how Federations work with the EU Principles. If you learned this, you wouldn't be here sprouting rubbish just to provoke people with your wishes that cannot be accommodated.

Why dont you educate us all in your Pseudologia fantastica style?