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Hermes what do you want from the TCs? where do you see them in a solution?

I expect the T/Cs to have the same rights and responsibilities as any other citizens of the ROC or the EU.

How will we share the island if there is no possibility of going back to the "ROC"?

[Pyrpolizer]

Hermes what do you want from the TCs? where do you see them in a solution?

I expect the T/Cs to have the same rights and responsibilities as any other citizens of the ROC or the EU.

How will we share the island if there is no possibility of going back to the "ROC"?

I don't think you will find another idiot like me, spending his time explaining you in detail in more than 10 posts, just to realize that in the end you understood nothing.

So keep on asking questions, understand whatever you like, and repeat the same invalid arguments for eternity, for all I care....

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Pyro you seem to forget that this is a public forum where we debate, its not a classroom or an exam, we are throwing around our ideas and reading what others have to say. What exactly have you explained which is not being taken into account, you are obviously not being specific enough or your posts are not having the impact you think they are having on others.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro you seem to forget that this is a public forum where we debate, its not a classroom or an exam, we are throwing around our ideas and reading what others have to say. What exactly have you explained which is not being taken into account, you are obviously not being specific enough or your posts are not having the impact you think they are having on others.

Excuse me but YOU were and still are asking questions, acting like a student.
I personally tried to explain you how BBF with political equality is going to be in practice, only to get the disappointment from you that in the end you were still thinking in terms of a Unitary state.
But then again you might be right I never thought I was a good teacher anyway.

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You are right dont become a teacher as your student will not understand what the hell you are trying to teach them.

With regards to your posts regarding a BBF we discussed how it can be manipulated to the benefit of the Gcs, they can easily use their numerical advantage to take control of the seats form the north state therefore pushing again to one side the effective say of the TCs .

Why do you not concentrate on the debate and try to respond clearly and accurately not assuming people automatically know what you are saying just because you know it in your own mind...do you know its an art form of how to convey ideas and debate them....you obviously do not like being challenged or having your knowledge questioned whereby you have to rethink the flaws or the concerns of others.

[Kikapu]

You are right dont become a teacher as your student will not understand what the hell you are trying to teach them.

With regards to your posts regarding a BBF we discussed how it can be manipulated to the benefit of the Gcs, they can easily use their numerical advantage to take control of the seats form the north state therefore pushing again to one side the effective say of the TCs .

Why do you not concentrate on the debate and try to respond clearly and accurately not assuming people automatically know what you are saying just because you know it in your own mind...do you know its an art form of how to convey ideas and debate them....you obviously do not like being challenged or having your knowledge questioned whereby you have to rethink the flaws or the concerns of others.

One cannot have a serious debate with you when you do not accept a BBF solution based on EU Principles, when you know damn well that the EU Principles cannot be pushed aside. You still think we are at the 2004 point with the AP, before the RoC became a EU member. I for one will refuse to debate with you seriously unless you want to debate taking into account True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles, or else you will get yourself belittled and ridiculed when all you are doing is just winding people up deliberately to push for your Taksim Dreams. The TCs need to learn that democracy means anyone can rule others as others can rule them, as long as it is a fair democratic system where everyone's rights are respected and protected with the constitution of the land. You want to keep playing silly buggers with your Racists and Fascistic wishes for a settlement as the case was with the AP, then your wish for a debate will be ignored and make you look silly and ridiculed at the same time. The choice is yours.

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Your "True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles" chant means nothing as it can easily be manipulated to the determent of TCs.

Under your one size fit all True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles can the majority vote for a GC national front party that wants to unite Cyprus with Greece? please for once try to speak the truth and dont spout pages of your usual shit and expect everyone to believe it.

[Kikapu]

Your "True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles" chant means nothing as it can easily be manipulated to the determent of TCs.

Cyprus being in the EU, you have no choice but to find a solution based on EU Principles. Those are not my rules, but the EU's. Once you understand those rules, then use them as much as you can within those rules to get the best possible deal for the TCs, that's all.

Under your one size fit all True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles can the majority vote for a GC national front party that wants to unite Cyprus with Greece? please for once try to speak the truth and dont spout pages of your usual shit and expect everyone to believe it.

Greece is a bad example to use, don't you think, given their position financially.

Once again you are talking about a Unitary state, so why are you wasting my time asking me hypothetical questions on Unitary state.

In a BBF, the answer is a "NO", not unless the north state having majority TCs will also vote with the majority GCs in the south state, minimum 75% from each state to change the Federal constitution in order for Cyprus to merge with Greece or even Turkey. If the overwhelming majority from each state exercised their democratic rights to do so. why would you deny the TCs their democratic rights if they want to become part of Greece or the GCs democratic rights if they want to become part of Turkey, joined by their respective communities from other states. If overwhelming TCs do not want to be part of Greece, then you have nothing to worry about, do you ?

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Kikapu

Cyprus being in the EU, you have no choice but to find a solution based on EU Principles. Those are not my rules, but the EU's. Once you understand those rules, then use them as much as you can within those rules to get the best possible deal for the TCs, that's all.

Are there any exceptions to the rule? permanent or temporary derogation's? can you provide us with examples of past member states where derogation's were implemented?

Greece is a bad example to use, don't you think, given their position financially.

Once again you are talking about a Unitary state, so why are you wasting my time asking me hypothetical questions on Unitary state.

In a BBF, the answer is a "NO", not unless the north state having majority TCs will also vote with the majority GCs in the south state, minimum 75% from each state to change the Federal constitution in order for Cyprus to merge with Greece or even Turkey. If the overwhelming majority from each state exercised their democratic rights to do so. why would you deny the TCs their democratic rights if they want to become part of Greece or the GCs democratic rights if they want to become part of Turkey, joined by their respective communities from other states. If overwhelming TCs do not want to be part of Greece, then you have nothing to worry about, do you ?

So let me put it another way, if we lose the one seat or the majority in the north state can we unite with Greece whether the TCs like it or not, please try to be honest as I know the answer and leave the give back more land comments out of it, just a straight answer is required.

[Pyrpolizer]

LOL and you really expect an answer ?
You don't know how EU works and how one can get derogations.
You don't know how Federations work.
You are stuck on Phobias, one of them being Enosis!!! LLLLOOOOOLLLL

There's only one thing I can advice you. Just wait for another 10-15 years until Turkey extincts you and all your questions will be irrelevant