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The end is near, 7th July 2011

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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:58 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:At last thats what I was referring to 2 states....why do you make it so difficult?


Do you understand anything that anybody says in this forum? You really are the most pig-ignorant person I've ever come across.


And you are a moronic wanker because it took you 3 or 4 post to understand that there will 2 states under a federal structure.

Maybe we can have 3 or 4 states. Why stop at 2? :?
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby Hermes » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:13 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:At last thats what I was referring to 2 states....why do you make it so difficult?


Do you understand anything that anybody says in this forum? You really are the most pig-ignorant person I've ever come across.


And you are a moronic wanker because it took you 3 or 4 post to understand that there will 2 states under a federal structure.


You clearly have forgotten that Christofias and Talat agreed in principle that any settlement should involve a single state, with common citizenship for all Cypriots. This meant that Turkish pressure to establish a loose confederation between two states by trying to upgrade the unrecognised 'TRNC' to the rank of state, was rejected. You do know this, don't you? Because you seem to be confused.
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:25 pm

You still do not get it where did i claim a sole single state for TCs without BBF? A BBF with political equality of the 2 states north and south thats what i am stating...whats not to understand? why are you so sensitive?
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:52 pm

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humanist wrote:What happened at the meeting in Geneva? I couldn't get anything but the very basics of yet another meeting NY later this year.


Erm... Bonky Moon has laid down the law and told both men to...

Pack it in with the rhetoric.
Prepare their electorates for compromises and support for reunion
Come to agreements on the core issues on the basis of UN res's
Accept a more pro-active UN expert role (both accepted)
To come to agreement on core issues by October.
To be prepared for an International Conference post-October to finalise outstanding issues.


There is an if attached to that Bill "if they come to agreement on most of the issues"

In reality what the UNSG did was just postpone everything until October.
By then there are 3 possibilities
a)That there will be substantial progress,
b)The will be very little progress.
c)there will be no progress.

Most analysts say most probably "b" will occur, however nobody can tell what the UN will do then.
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:34 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
humanist wrote:What happened at the meeting in Geneva? I couldn't get anything but the very basics of yet another meeting NY later this year.


Erm... Bonky Moon has laid down the law and told both men to...

Pack it in with the rhetoric.
Prepare their electorates for compromises and support for reunion
Come to agreements on the core issues on the basis of UN res's
Accept a more pro-active UN expert role (both accepted)
To come to agreement on core issues by October.
To be prepared for an International Conference post-October to finalise outstanding issues.


There is an if attached to that Bill "if they come to agreement on most of the issues"

In reality what the UNSG did was just postpone everything until October.
By then there are 3 possibilities
a)That there will be substantial progress,
b)The will be very little progress.
c)there will be no progress.

Most analysts say most probably "b" will occur, however nobody can tell what the UN will do then.


Yes, fair enough file... and yes let's face it, given the lack of progress in the past 2-3 years of talks, what progress can we realistically expect in the next 2-3 months? ... especially once Erroglu has left Bonky Moon and is back to the hard line, maximum demands, so yes B is the more likely... unless Unpredictable Erdotnuc springs a surprise on the 20th.
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby humanist » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:12 am

Whilst the TC's continue to support te Turkish occupation of Cyprus there will be very little to no progress and the TC's will have to decide as to whether they want partnership in a United Cyprus or sit there and wait for recognition which from memory has been told to them by Downer that there will not be recognition of a trnc and there will be no EU membership for Turkey
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:44 am

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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby humanist » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:37 am

kurupetos ........ where is that picture taken which village?

cheers
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:47 am

humanist wrote:Whilst the TC's continue to support te Turkish occupation of Cyprus there will be very little to no progress and the TC's will have to decide as to whether they want partnership in a United Cyprus or sit there and wait for recognition which from memory has been told to them by Downer that there will not be recognition of a trnc and there will be no EU membership for Turkey


What you offer is just not good enough humanist, thats why the talks have dragged on so long.
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Re: The end is near, 7th July 2011

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:04 pm

humanist wrote:kurupetos ........ where is that picture taken which village?

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Dunno mate. Found from another forum. :D
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