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[bill cobbett]

Rumours abound that Turkish PM Erdogone will be making a sensational proposal on the matter of Occupied Famagusta. There are reports of a big clean-up going on in preparation of his visit there on or about the 20th July.

Will the scheming bugger be proposing a return of the Varoshiotes under a Turkish Admin???????

More at ...http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkey-may ... 296-69.htm

[repulsewarrior]

Errduogganlu will speak, Eroglu will be a puppet that does not speak, indeed. under some authority they(he) choose(s), there will be an offer to buy Famagusta from those who will sell, and to let the rest live under this authority; sort of like Hong Kong when the Brits were building their Empire.

maybe he'll agree to recognition of the Republic of Cyprus, where equal representation is given to their 'statelet' (or an equal Turkish representation in a city-state), of course, they'll sit along with the EU at that table, maybe Britain; beautiful, Greece won't be invited (they are in the EU already, hmmmmm?), and thus, Greek Cypriots will have no Personal Representation in an Individualistic world.



cheers!

[Jerry]

Bill, if Erdoguts had half a brain he would announce the immediate return of Varosha to the ROC. The result would be enormous pressure (from UN, EU etc) for Christofias to accept any further proposal Turkey may make. Trouble is such a gesture would be seen by most Turks as a sign of weakness, they take and then negotiate - giving is not in their nature. My guess is that Erdo will announce some scheme for Varosha that will mean it will never be returned unless agreement is reached soon. The old Turkish trick - accept this solution because if you don't the next one will be worse.

Our best hope is for a collapse of the "trnc" from within, we've seen a few signs already, let's hope that the implications of the Gary Robb saga is the final shove that thieving regime needs.

[Kikapu]

Bill, if Erdoguts had half a brain he would announce the immediate return of Varosha to the ROC. The result would be enormous pressure (from UN, EU etc) for Christofias to accept any further proposal Turkey may make. Trouble is such a gesture would be seen by most Turks as a sign of weakness, they take and then negotiate - giving is not in their nature. My guess is that Erdo will announce some scheme for Varosha that will mean it will never be returned unless agreement is reached soon. The old Turkish trick - accept this solution because if you don't the next one will be worse.

Our best hope is for a collapse of the "trnc" from within, we've seen a few signs already, let's hope that the implications of the Gary Robb saga is the final shove that thieving regime needs.

That is very possible, Jerry.

It could also be a blackmailing tactics by Turkey to the RoC, that unless the RoC lifts it's objections over Turkey's EU chapters from opening, Varosha will be opened for investment and development for "TCs" (Turkey) to use it. Perhaps hoping that the RoC would buckle and give in or that the RoC would walk away from the talks.

It could also be, that Turkey has reached the crossroads with her EU talks, that unless Turkey starts acting like a EU candidate, the EU will pull the plug on her which will destroy Turkey's economy, and now that the elections are over in Turkey, they may want to cut some deals over Verosha, opening up ports in the north for direct trade under EU guidelines, and opening ports for Cypriot ships and planes in Turkey. We will soon find out what will happen, if the report is accurate, of course.

[Jerry]

Bill, if Erdoguts had half a brain he would announce the immediate return of Varosha to the ROC. The result would be enormous pressure (from UN, EU etc) for Christofias to accept any further proposal Turkey may make. Trouble is such a gesture would be seen by most Turks as a sign of weakness, they take and then negotiate - giving is not in their nature. My guess is that Erdo will announce some scheme for Varosha that will mean it will never be returned unless agreement is reached soon. The old Turkish trick - accept this solution because if you don't the next one will be worse.

Our best hope is for a collapse of the "trnc" from within, we've seen a few signs already, let's hope that the implications of the Gary Robb saga is the final shove that thieving regime needs.

That is very possible, Jerry.

It could also be a blackmailing tactics by Turkey to the RoC, that unless the RoC lifts it's objections over Turkey's EU chapters from opening, Varosha will be opened for investment and development for "TCs" (Turkey) to use it. Perhaps hoping that the RoC would buckle and give in or that the RoC would walk away from the talks.

It could also be, that Turkey has reached the crossroads with her EU talks, that unless Turkey starts acting like a EU candidate, the EU will pull the plug on her which will destroy Turkey's economy, and now that the elections are over in Turkey, they may want to cut some deals over Verosha, opening up ports in the north for direct trade under EU guidelines, and opening ports for Cypriot ships and planes in Turkey. We will soon find out what will happen, if the report is accurate, of course.

On the other hand perhaps Erdo has realised that he can't afford to prop up the "trnc" any longer. He's seen what has happened to Greece and he's shit scared that the same may happen to Turkey - especially if it falls out with its biggest market and investor - Europe.

"Turkey’s national currency continued to decline for a sixth day given the concern over the fact that Greece’s sovereign debt crisis will not be solved and based on expectations that the central bank will keep the policy rates unchanged"

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-248845- ... holds.html

[B25]

Varosha, is non negotiable. It is not theirs to negotiate with It belongs to it's rightful legal owners. The RoC has no right to offer anything in return. Varosha together with the rest of the north should be given up without any conditions attached, then we can talk about moving forward.

Anyone who takes this bait, deserves all he gets. Turkey does not do anything 'nice' for anyone, there is always an alterior motive.

[Kikapu]

On the other hand perhaps Erdo has realised that he can't afford to prop up the "trnc" any longer. He's seen what has happened to Greece and he's shit scared that the same may happen to Turkey - especially if it falls out with its biggest market and investor - Europe.

"Turkey’s national currency continued to decline for a sixth day given the concern over the fact that Greece’s sovereign debt crisis will not be solved and based on expectations that the central bank will keep the policy rates unchanged"

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-248845- ... holds.html

Jerry,

Forget about the last 6 days of the Turkish Lira going down and look at the last 3 months chart. Despite the US Dollar going down itself, the TRY has been sliding even bigger against it. The TRY has been decimated by the Swiss Franc, and to be fair, the CHF has been kicking every one's butts in the last 3 months and longer.

US Dollar vs. Turkish Lira

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Swiss Franc vs. Turkish Lira

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[Jerry]

Perhaps reality has hit home at last, Turkey can't afford to keep the "trnc". And besides, with regard to Varosha, who would invest in an annexed town after the latest Gary Robb saga.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps reality has hit home at last, Turkey can't afford to keep the "trnc". And besides, with regard to Varosha, who would invest in an annexed town after the latest Gary Robb saga.

I'm sure the RoC courts are going to "skin alive" Gary Robb to discourage anyone else from taking his place. He will be made an example, no doubt.

Turkey often talks about her exports and GDP growth, but she very often she neglects to mention that her Imports are twice as much as exports , which her trade deficit is an all time high at the moment, which has largely to do with the Turkish Lira losing it's value. If the TRY continues to depreciate at this rate, Turkey will find herself kicked out of the G-20 in no time. Turkey better hope that the US Dollar does not appreciate greatly anytime soon since the G-20 valuations are made in USD. Lucky for Turkey, the USD is doomed for the foreseeable future.

The below is about $400 USD per month. Good luck living on that, even in Turkey, where the petrol is the most expensive anywhere I have traveled. No wonder majority Turks cannot afford to buy meat.

Minimum wage to rise by 5 percent in July

27 June 2011, Monday / TODAY'S ZAMAN, İSTANBUL

The minimum wage for single workers over the age of 16 will be raised by 5.1 percent from TL 629.96 to TL 658.95 on July 1. For workers younger than 16, the minimum wage will be increased by TL 25.77 to TL 571.97 net.

In accordance with a decision made by the Minimum Wage Determination Commission -- made up of representatives from employee unions, employers and the government -- in its meeting at the end of last year, the new minimum wage will be put into effect from July 1 until the end of 2011.

However, employer representatives are not quite happy with the recent increase of the minimum wage. Experts suggest the minimum wage should differ regionally to better match the varying costs of living across Turkey and that those receiving this salary should be exempt from all taxes, which experts say further enlarge the informal economy in Turkey while also making life much more difficult for those in the low-income bracket.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-248660- ... -july.html

[jahitty]

Im afraid Turkey leaving cyprus is wishful thinking, think about how much they have invested in the 'TRNC', they would never give that up, its not in her DNA,currently the UBP puppets are on the most aggressive privatisation campaign ever witnessed in the North, that even inlcudes selling large parts of the coastline! Its pretty obvious who the buyers are, the famagusta port is also being sold either to an italian or arab firm. Although your right about her economy and the trade deficit being a very large elephant in the room, she is incapable of withdrawing from Cyprus. Part of her final partition strategy were the big spending cuts recently imposed, another measure to equalize and intergrate the TRNC into the Turkish economy along with with the truly frighteneing privatisation schemes going full steam ahead. The best offer Turkey would make is handing back some land for recognition of the TRNC, but that would be just a bluff, they know the GC,s would never accept that. It pains me to say it, but I beleive its partition and final absorption into the Turkish state unless the GC's accept political equality, which also will never happen! Turkish buisness interests run far too deep for a fair solution.