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Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:18 pm

Don't be distracted by Greece: Americans must also face financial facts

A news report in the Daily Telegraph (not always a reliable paper - look how one of their correspondents made a FUBAR in relation to describing the ROC as a the Greek part of Cyprus which Greece should sell to Turkey) has highlighted how the Greek Mess could pale into insignificance unless the good old US of A gets its a*se into gear.
Daily Telegraph wrote:America's federal government debt is growing at $40,000 per second. It has reached $14 trillion, whatever that means. More comprehensible perhaps is this fact: the debt will soon match the entire GDP of the United States. Outside wartime, that has never happened before.


America is at war - in Afganistan, Iraq and Libya

A combination of tax cuts and spending increases, coupled with the war on terror and the financial meltdown, has seen America's fiscal health evaporate.

Even the savings implied last week in the surge home of US troops from Afghanistan, count for little more than a drop - a splash, perhaps - in this ocean of debt.

The real issue is the future of America's domestic spending.

The projections are appalling: the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office thinks that by 2030 interest payments plus spending on pensions and health will take up all the government's tax income. Everything else, from education to war-fighting, will have to be borrowed for. Or cut out.

The thought should send shivers down all our spines.

A nation whose productive capacity, whose support of economic and political freedom plays such a big part in our world could be heading for a period of poverty and introspection.

And the poverty could come quite suddenly – brought on by interest rate rises forced on America by world markets, or by foreign powers selling dollar bonds.

So what is to be done?

Here is where it gets really tricky. The problem is not primarily economic. Nor is it entirely political. It is wider, deeper: it is a failing at the most basic level of culture.

Americans, it seems to me, have allowed themselves to become fundamentally deluded about the kind of people they are.

Look at Alaska.

The Pulitzer prize-winning author Anne Applebaum tells me in the documentary that Alaska is a myth. People who live there (encouraged by a famous former governor) imagine that it is the last frontier where rugged all-American individualists grapple with snow and bears and protected only by their guns, come out on top.

In fact Alaska is the most heavily subsidised state in the Union. Social spending and tax breaks are huge – Alaska sucks hard on the teat of the state.

For Alaska, read America.

Americans have a weird inability to see themselves for what they are: deeply involved with the federal government and deeply dependent on it. The myth obfuscates and befuddles. It allows Americans – including the Tea Party movement – to have wonderfully vivid rows about public spending and tax but never really to confront the reality that taxes (my taxes!) are going to have to rise and spending on health and pensions (my health, my pension!) is going to have to be cut.

The Republicans have had a go at it recently – encouraged by the Tea Party folks – but came a horrible cropper in a by-election for a previously safe New York State congressional seat where their voters simply melted away after hearing that their entitlements might be cut.

Americans like to blame their politicians for the mess but the fault, frankly, is with the people. They will not give up their national delusion. How does it end?

Richard Haass invokes Churchill: Americans will do the right thing but only after all other options are explored. Who am I to argue with Haass and Churchill combined? But it is fair to say that they are leaving it rather late.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... facts.html
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Re: US Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:20 am

More from the BBC in the same vein: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13906274

All from the same effective sources.
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Re: US Mess

Postby Mikiko » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:45 am

OSama Bin Laden alone cost them only 1 trillion dollars .
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Re: US Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:26 pm

Another warning

PIMCO: America could 'resemble Greece' before 2020
America could begin to resemble Greece before the turn of the decade if it does not cut spending and raise taxes to tackle its debt, according to Bill Gross, the head of the world's largest bond fund.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9581682/PIMCO-America-could-resemble-Greece-before-2020.html
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Re: US Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:36 pm

And more....

Barack Obama facing fiscal cliff as stock markets fall - Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9662188/President-Barack-Obama-facing-fiscal-cliff-as-stock-markets-fall.html

The president faces an urgent challenge to prevent the gridlock that scarred his first term as fears grew that politicians will fail to cut a deal to stop the economy falling over a 'fiscal cliff'.
More than $600bn (£380bn) of tax rises and cuts in government spending are due in early January.
Failure to avoid the cliff will plunge the world's largest economy back into a slump and disrupt the global economy's still fragile global recovery.
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Re: US Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:08 am

Who cares what the BBC thinks about the fiscal future of the USA. Seems to me it's just another excuse for you to keep using Greece as some paradigm of evil. So Foxtrot Oscar to you!
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Re: US Mess

Postby kimon07 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:22 am

There will be no cure and there will be constant worsening of the economies of the USA and of Europe as long as they keep moving the production of their products and their manufacturing activities to countries like China, Turkey India etc, taking advantage and promoting the cheep slave-labor conditions and the minimal taxes in those countries and thus condemning their own people to unemployment and misery.
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Re: US Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:13 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who cares what the BBC thinks about the fiscal future of the USA. Seems to me it's just another excuse for you to keep using Greece as some paradigm of evil. So Foxtrot Oscar to you!


No surprises there then... :roll:

You think everything is an excuse to keep using Greece as some paradigm of evil! :lol:

Even when Greece is not mentioned... :roll:
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Re: US Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:01 am

It's not just about the money! Americans (and their seconds in command, the Brits) will eventually wake up to the harsh reality of what their lifestyles are doing to them via the ecological disasters they are helping create and fuel. The 20 Billion plus dollars it's going to cost to clean-up after hurricane Sandy might hit them where it hurts - not yet recovered from Katrina. And, these super-storms are going to get worse and more frequent. Yet Americans have been trying to impose their overconsumptive lifestyles, which use 100 times more carbon-energy than most Europeans and probably 500 times more than the average olive-growing Greek, onto everyone else.

As yiayia always say; the right thing will happen in the end.
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Re: US Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:07 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's not just about the money! Americans (and their seconds in command, the Brits) will eventually wake up to the harsh reality of what their lifestyles are doing to them via the ecological disasters they are helping create and fuel. The 20 Billion plus dollars it's going to cost to clean-up after hurricane Sandy might hit them where it hurts - not yet recovered from Katrina. And, these super-storms are going to get worse and more frequent. Yet Americans have been trying to impose their overconsumptive lifestyles, which use 100 times more carbon-energy than most Europeans and probably 500 times more than the average olive-growing Greek, onto everyone else.

As yiayia always say; the right thing will happen in the end.



Oh, I see your point now.... :roll:

Too bad for you that 'super-storms' were recorded long before the Industrial Revolution and profligate consumption that you blame as the cause of them! :lol:

And too bad for you that these 'super-storms' are not becoming more frequent - no matter how much the AGW nutcases claim that they are... :lol:

And worst of all - it is too bad for you that the people that you despise so much are the very same people that are profiting from the climate change scam which you obviously believe in! :lol:
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