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[cyprusgrump]

Greece should never have been allowed into the Euro. This is a financial, not a political, view. The difference between the Greek economy and that of Germany is so great that they can not use the same economic strategies.

Even if the problem is solved this time, it will reoccur. You can not have monetary union without fiscal union. You can not have fiscal union without political union. Greece would never accept political union as it would mean being dominated by Germany. Germany would never accept political union accompanied by endless payments to industrial and economically weaker countries like Greece.

Well observed observer!

Greece is already in default. Borrowing more money (the inevitable consequence of staying in the €uro) when you can't pay back the money you've already borrowed simply makes no sense at all.

[kimon07]

Not to mention of the treasonous stance they take in respect to the national issues of the country (Macedonia, Greco-Turkish relations, even Cyprus. Remember, all leftist and Syriza scum supported strongly the Annan Plan for Cyprus.

You mean like the rest of the EU, including the other Eurozone countries ... the USA ... The TCs ... the rest of the world through the UN?

If you haven't realized it yet, the referendum concerned the Cypriots only and our future not theirs. And if you count the valid votes, you will find that most REAL Turkish Cypriots voted against it. I repeat, count the valid votes of the TC referendum only, attribute ALL the yes votes to the settlers and the TMT and see what remains.

[Bananiot]

Rubbish as always. The deep state and TMT and its leaders voted against the plan and Denktash breathed a deep sign of relief after the results were known. "Thank God the GC's said no" he said.

But they all have a common goal: To de-Hellenize Greece. To turn it into a multi national/multi cultural/multi-religious mess, where in about five yars from now, 5 million Asian and African Muslims will be entitled to stay, live, multiply, AND VOTE. Not to mention of the treasonous stance they take in respect to the national issues of the country (Macedonia, Greco-Turkish relations, even Cyprus. Remember, all leftist and Syriza scum supported strongly the Annan Plan for Cyprus.

The above is Chrysi Avgi and ELAM talk.

[observer]

And if you count the valid votes, you will find that most REAL Turkish Cypriots voted against it.

At the risk of creeping away from the subject of the thread, how can you possibly know this unless you discount it being a secret ballot and were counting the votes yourself.

[supporttheunderdog]

Don't promote yourself to messenger. You are just a semi-literate purveyor of propaganda. Your inability to understand even what you provide yourself as evidence should humiliate you into oblivion but for the fact people like VP support your anti-Greek (therefore anti-Cypriot)
lies.

What lies??

Suck on this and swallow:

Greek Industrial Output Continues to fall

(RTTNews) - Industrial production in Greece continued to decline in March, data released by the Hellenic Statistical Authority showed Thursday.

Industrial production declined a working-day adjusted 8.5 percent on an annual basis in March, faster than the 8.3 percent decrease seen in February and 6.1 percent fall recorded in January.

Mining and quarrying production decreased 7.9 percent annually, while manufacturing production dropped 8.8 percent.

Output of intermediate goods fell by 12.7 percent, while capital goods production declined 20.9 percent in March. There was a 19.2 percent year-on-year decrease in the production of consumer durables during the month, and a 13.3 percent drop in consumer non-durables output.

On a monthly basis, meanwhile, industrial output rose 1 percent in March, after growing 3.1 percent in the previous month.

http://www.rttnews.com/1882435/greek-in ... -fall.aspx

I note and understand a monthly increase in March compared to Feb - here is hoping that trend continues.

[kimon07]

And if you count the valid votes, you will find that most REAL Turkish Cypriots voted against it.

At the risk of creeping away from the subject of the thread, how can you possibly know this unless you discount it being a secret ballot and were counting the votes yourself.

Quite simple.

The valid votes counted in the TC referendum were 119,619.
77,646 Yes and
41,973 Nos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results

I estimate that AT LEAST half of them (60,000) came from settlers and that all settlers voted as instructed by Turkey, i.e. Yes. So, if you take out from the 77,646 “valid” Yes votes let’s say 60,000 illegitimate ones, (belonging to settlers), what remains are 17,646 Yes and 41,973 Nos. Even if you tell me that the illegitimate votes did not exceed 40.000, again the Nos prevail (37,646 Yes - 41,973 Nos). Unless you believe that there were settlers who voted NO??
Conclusion The TCs voted against the plan.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Alexis Tsipras interviewed by The Guardian (today's).

Very interesting and I recommend it to everyone to read:

HS: Is your enemy Germany?

AT: No, no, not at all. The war that we are experiencing is not between nations and peoples. On the one side, there are workers and a majority of people, and on the other are global capitalists, bankers, profiteers on stock exchanges, the big funds. It's a war between peoples and capitalism, and Greece is on the frontline of that war. And, as in each war, what happens on the frontline defines the battle. It will be decisive for the war elsewhere. Greece has become a model for the rest of Europe because it was chosen as the experiment for the application of neoliberal shock [policies], and Greek people were the guinea pigs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... iew-syriza

[GreekIslandGirl]

Advice from Argentina ....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/eurozone-crisi ... 30642.html

[cyprusgrump]

Alexis Tsipras interviewed by The Guardian (today's).

Very interesting and I recommend it to everyone to read:

HS: Is your enemy Germany?

AT: No, no, not at all. The war that we are experiencing is not between nations and peoples. On the one side, there are workers and a majority of people, and on the other are global capitalists, bankers, profiteers on stock exchanges, the big funds. It's a war between peoples and capitalism, and Greece is on the frontline of that war. And, as in each war, what happens on the frontline defines the battle. It will be decisive for the war elsewhere. Greece has become a model for the rest of Europe because it was chosen as the experiment for the application of neoliberal shock [policies], and Greek people were the guinea pigs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... iew-syriza

So, the Greek government has spent money like it was going out of style for decades and now that the well has run dry, it’s the well’s fault? You can’t wax lyrical about “the cradle of democracy” then turn round and blame someone else when the moussaka hits the fan.

Who voted for successive profligate governments, year after year? Who told the Greek government to borrow more money than it could afford to pay back in order that they might have paid public holidays, Olympic Games, and Christ knows what all else? They could have voted for small-government, fiscally-responsible, liberals who would have tried to change that (reducing the tax evasion problem into the bargain, as per Laffer).

They, in general, didn’t.

Paraphrased from here.

[supporttheunderdog]

at least one commentator thinks Argentina is not a sound model

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... m?page=0,0

US model too could be iffy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... urope.html