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[cyprusgrump]

so they should stay in and pay off theír debts...fully to every cent and no haircut crap...they borrowed, squandered, lied abd cheated, now it's pay time...what you think the debts should be forgiven period?...a greek would think like this but grumpy are you greek?...

Except that here is no chance of them paying off their debts....

How can they pay it all back when they are tied to the €uro with no fiscal control mechanisms of their own....?

They can't pay it back now yet the 'solution' is to lend them more money...?

don't you worry about the greeks...the greeks put dogs to shame when sniffing for money...they will find other suckers...

they can stop drinking frappe and charging credit cards...they can stop living above their means...

even if they leave the euroze, they screwed anyway...these loans will be paid back one way or another...if they tried to not pay back they will be isolated...as people and as a nation...there wil be no trade and their sovereignity will be an issue...the US will drop them like a bag of poo...and you know what this means don't you?...the greeks will become rums overnight...

instead f paying for fat asses, how about offering business incentives, tax heavens to attract foreign companies and at least the greeks will have jobs...oops jobs and greeks, an oxymoron, shouldn't be used in the same sentence...sorry...

Because (as I stated above) they cannot do any of those things while they remain within the EU....

Even the minimum level of VAT is set for them....

[boomerang]

so they should stay in and pay off theír debts...fully to every cent and no haircut crap...they borrowed, squandered, lied abd cheated, now it's pay time...what you think the debts should be forgiven period?...a greek would think like this but grumpy are you greek?...

Except that here is no chance of them paying off their debts....

How can they pay it all back when they are tied to the €uro with no fiscal control mechanisms of their own....?

They can't pay it back now yet the 'solution' is to lend them more money...?

don't you worry about the greeks...the greeks put dogs to shame when sniffing for money...they will find other suckers...

they can stop drinking frappe and charging credit cards...they can stop living above their means...

even if they leave the euroze, they screwed anyway...these loans will be paid back one way or another...if they tried to not pay back they will be isolated...as people and as a nation...there wil be no trade and their sovereignity will be an issue...the US will drop them like a bag of poo...and you know what this means don't you?...the greeks will become rums overnight...

instead f paying for fat asses, how about offering business incentives, tax heavens to attract foreign companies and at least the greeks will have jobs...oops jobs and greeks, an oxymoron, shouldn't be used in the same sentence...sorry...

Because (as I stated above) they cannot do any of those things while they remain within the EU....

Even the minimum level of VAT is set for them....

thats because they are incable of running a brothel not alone a country...these greeks haven't got used to the idea they are not slaves no more...slave mentality is alive and well in greece...'

in all honesty would anyone trust the greeks to run a country...they tried and look at the results...history speaks for it self here...

they need a master, simple as that...

[barouti]

As for Britain, once slavery was abolished we worked very hard to eradicte the trade by others.

Oh yeah, you stopped trafficking humans and replaced it with drugs. You were the first nation to legalize drug pushing:



Wow, at your peak you were even bigger than the Columbian drug cartels!

[kimon07]

As for Britain, once slavery was abolished .......

How many centuries AD did that happen??

we worked very hard to eradicate the trade by others.[/quote]

Yeah. Having already made a bundle for yourselves and having filled the world and especially the Americas with black slaves whom you were kidnapping and chaining like wild animals and after having caused the deaths of tens of thousands of them during their transfer to the slave markets.

[boomerang]

here kimon i am gonna throw you a lifeline like the last time...no need to thank me...

britain still supports slavery to this very day...greeks are still slaves...

and underdog here is your lifeline to the above...
some nations need a master...

[Me Ed]

Traders around the world have been staring at their Bloomberg screens, hardly believing their eyes. The electronic information platform has been showing details for possible Greek Drachma trading.

Full article and screenshots at: http://rt.com/business/news/greek-drachma-bloomberg-trades-769/

[kimon07]

Traders around the world have been staring at their Bloomberg screens, hardly believing their eyes. The electronic information platform has been showing details for possible Greek Drachma trading.

Full article and screenshots at: http://rt.com/business/news/greek-drachma-bloomberg-trades-769/

They are repeating the same mistake as with the Annan Plan. Threats, blackmail, continuous pressure, mockery. Result? F** Tsipras.

[supporttheunderdog]

A very interesting article.

On the Relevance of Democracy

2012/05/21

ATHENS/BERLIN

(Own report) - In the run-up to new elections in Greece, the German elite is discussing various scenarios involving the use of force to ensure control over Athens, including the establishment of a protectorate or the deployment of "protection forces" in that southern European country. The German austerity dictate, pushing Greece into destitution, is provoking growing popular resistance, which, apparently, can no longer be suppressed with democratic means. Berlin has failed in its efforts to force Athens into subordination by threatening to withdraw the Euro, as much as with its demand that Greece combines its parliamentary elections with a referendum on the question of remaining in the Euro zone. Berlin categorically rejects the option of retracting the austerity dictate and replacing it with stimulus programs, as is being demanded by leading economists world wide, even though the exclusion of Greece form the Euro zone threatens to push the currency, itself, into an abyss.

Read more:

http://german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58304

Next step; the Germans will reignite the Gas Chambers ...

I call Godwin's Law...

Thread ruined by GIG....

I have just had a look at the History Intro to the site Kimom07 posted - substitute Greek for German and Ethnos for Volk and I think it quite well describes the historical position of Greece and its current Megalist agents, the Enosis loving Athenocentric Greek Wanabees.

[supporttheunderdog]

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[Nikitas]

THe Greeks are lazy, let us accept the myth for argument's sake (Eurostat figures prove them to be the longest working with least holidays in the EU, but hey, who is Eurostat compared to the board experts!).

Why did all those expert economists and risk analysts in the world's top banks and hedge funds buy Greek bonds? The mounting debt was recorded by international financial institutions, it was no secret.

The answer is simple- because Greeks were spending that money buying goods from the lenders. It is no accident that Greece was the largest per capita consumer of German cars and other industrial goods. It still is one of the largest importers of German renewables technology, the stuff that even Germany is not buying any more. And then there are the weapons contracts,(Dassault, MAN, Maffei, et al) the electricity grid and telecoms which are built by Siemens and the airport by Hochtig and the list goes on. The trade balance between Greece and its major EU partners has always been in favor of the latter.

And what about Spain, a major industrial nation, Italy, one of the G7, Ireland, the Celtic Tiger, Portugal, famed for its placid work force, they all are lazy, crooked, inept at running their countries?

And lately Cyprus, a nation with one of the best public administration systems in the world, is in the club.

The Greeks and the rest are saddled with debt, yes, but where did the money end up? Who got really rich from this merry go round?

The Greeks could have stayed out of debt?. Just look up the papers before the Olympics when every second rate journalist hack was moaning about the security of the Olympics and read the threats to cancel the games. The solution, a 5 BILLION Euro security system from Siemens and other contractors. When the contract was signed the bad press stopped. The systems never worked. Also, count the cost of implementing EU regulations, especially in environmental projects and see how the deck is stacked.

The situation is a lot more complex than can be explained by stereotypes.