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[bsharpish]

In the context of Greece and Germany ......

Germany MAY have provided the rope ....... No one made Greece hang itself

Perhaps both sides of this finger pointing exercise should consider -

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye"

[cyprusgrump]

A very interesting article.

On the Relevance of Democracy

2012/05/21

ATHENS/BERLIN

(Own report) - In the run-up to new elections in Greece, the German elite is discussing various scenarios involving the use of force to ensure control over Athens, including the establishment of a protectorate or the deployment of "protection forces" in that southern European country. The German austerity dictate, pushing Greece into destitution, is provoking growing popular resistance, which, apparently, can no longer be suppressed with democratic means. Berlin has failed in its efforts to force Athens into subordination by threatening to withdraw the Euro, as much as with its demand that Greece combines its parliamentary elections with a referendum on the question of remaining in the Euro zone. Berlin categorically rejects the option of retracting the austerity dictate and replacing it with stimulus programs, as is being demanded by leading economists world wide, even though the exclusion of Greece form the Euro zone threatens to push the currency, itself, into an abyss.

Read more:

http://german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58304

Next step; the Germans will reignite the Gas Chambers ...

I call Godwin's Law...

Thread ruined by GIG....

[bsharpish]

Nice one

[GreekIslandGirl]

A very interesting article.

On the Relevance of Democracy

2012/05/21

ATHENS/BERLIN

(Own report) - In the run-up to new elections in Greece, the German elite is discussing various scenarios involving the use of force to ensure control over Athens, including the establishment of a protectorate or the deployment of "protection forces" in that southern European country. The German austerity dictate, pushing Greece into destitution, is provoking growing popular resistance, which, apparently, can no longer be suppressed with democratic means. Berlin has failed in its efforts to force Athens into subordination by threatening to withdraw the Euro, as much as with its demand that Greece combines its parliamentary elections with a referendum on the question of remaining in the Euro zone. Berlin categorically rejects the option of retracting the austerity dictate and replacing it with stimulus programs, as is being demanded by leading economists world wide, even though the exclusion of Greece form the Euro zone threatens to push the currency, itself, into an abyss.

Read more:

http://german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58304

Next step; the Germans will reignite the Gas Chambers ...

I call Godwin's Law...

Thread ruined by GIG....

Oh dear, you are slow off the mark. Supporttheunderdog beat me to it:

Re: greek mess
by supporttheunderdog » Thu May 24, 2012 10:22 am

If certain politicians/eurocrats have their way the price of the survival of Euro in the light of its current crises (which is NOT just a Greek mess) could be the effective abolition of Greece as a nation-state, along with the effective abolition of every other Eurozone country, in favour of a politicaly unified European superstate of some sort, run from Brussels: a number of commentators seem to think that the Euro cannot survive without poltical integration. France and Germany will no do doubt compete for Supremacy but either way we will end with a victory of either Napoleon or Hitler i.e centralised domination of Europe, which in my view is potentially worse than Enosis with Greece. The Countries will probbaly end us as an administrative region within the EU with current national elected assembly bodies and the exective armes reduced in status to litle more than glorified local councils.

Bad luck, silly.

[Kikapu]

Euro group president blames Ottoman heritage for Greek crisis
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Luxembourg's Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker briefs the media after an informal European Union leaders summit in Brussels May 24, 2012. REUTERS Photo

The "Ottoman invasion" of Greece is the main cause for the country’s current financial crisis, Luxembourger Prime Minister and Euro Group President Jean-Claude Juncker has said, noting the negative impact the occupation had on Greece’s fiscal development, according to daily Hürriyet.

"Greece is a very big nation but a very weak state," Juncker said during an interview with Politique Internationale. "It's the truth: Their fiscal management is not working. There is no staff, no real trade history, which is the heritage of the Ottoman invasion."

Juncker also told Politique Internationale that Spain and Portugal had better chances of recovering than Greece, which may take years to get back on its feet.

"How can you privatize anything when such important factors are missing?" Juncker said.

May/28/2012

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/euro-g ... sCatID=338

Greek independence internationally recognised since 1832. What have the Greeks been doing for the last 180 years?

Not paying taxes!

That's rich coming from a Swiss Tax exile, Kiks.

I file my Swiss and American Tax returns every year.

That reminds me. I need to file my American Tax returns by June 30th!

Still have time, before they come after me.

The British government can suck an egg!

The RoC have not asked for one......yet!

[GreekIslandGirl]

That's rich coming from a Swiss Tax exile, Kiks.

I file my Swiss and American Tax returns every year.

That reminds me. I need to file my American Tax returns by June 30th!

Still have time, before they come after me.

The British government can suck an egg!

The RoC have not asked for one......yet!

Well, I'm sure you do, my dear. Just as I also file my Greek tax returns every year, as does every other Greek person I know well enough to discuss such matters with. But that doesn't seem to stop some people accusing a whole nation of tax evasion.

[boomerang]

so you have investments in greece huh?...ripping the greeks off huh?...you should be ashamed of your self...be charitable and donate in greece...your mother country can do with every penny she can lay her hands on...

[Kikapu]

That's rich coming from a Swiss Tax exile, Kiks.

I file my Swiss and American Tax returns every year.

That reminds me. I need to file my American Tax returns by June 30th!

Still have time, before they come after me.

The British government can suck an egg!

The RoC have not asked for one......yet!

Well, I'm sure you do, my dear. Just as I also file my Greek tax returns every year, as does every other Greek person I know well enough to discuss such matters with. But that doesn't seem to stop some people accusing a whole nation of tax evasion.

One filing Tax returns and paying taxes if due, and one filing Tax returns and not paying taxes if due, are two different things!

I owe nothing to any government when it comes to taxes!

[wyoming cowboy]

To all those who blame and denigrate Greece, first you need to educate yourselves on how this economic mess started and how it snowballed to the mess in Europe and of course Greece and Cyprus, here is a good link...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... l-crisis...


When Clinton signed these two bills into law, it created an economic mess that still to this day echos throughout the world......

Here in the us of a, through the years of 1999-2008, anyone with access to KINKOS/Fedex, (copy,print shop), could create a financial statement submit it to a mortgage company and the next day be able to qualify to buy a house, car or whatever on credit, with no credit check or any background check.

European banks were buying these AAA investments including Iceland...Iceland, one of the most stable economies in the world historically, had a debt of 9.5 trillion kronars, before it had to devalue its currency by 35% in order to bail out its banks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80 ... ial_crisis


Here in the usa, during the 2008/2009 period we had to raise our debt ceiling(basically print more dollars) by 1.4 trillion dollars, again it was raised in 2010 by another 700billion dollars, again today I heard on the radio that congress is debating raising the debt ceiling one more time.

In 2,3,4..or 10 years from now when Greece and Cyprus are booming economically, the first to line up and kiss Greek and Greek Cypriot a$$ or as you europeans call it arse, will be the neo cypriots and current Greek haters. Start puckering up "mates"...

[Bananiot]

Close your eyes and wish the nightmare away cowboy. Those who are are telling Greece how to go about the road of vertue and prudence are Greek haters. How typically third world this kind of thinking is! This is part of the mentality that has brought the Greek tragedy. We are facing scenes like we have never seen (perhaps during the war) with people starving litterally and starving of hope, and here you are cowboy dreaming of a Greece that will be booming economically in a few years. You are simply adding insult to injury, cowboy.