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[boomerang]

the comic relief thus far is presented by you and your little green men after greece, as greece has anything of value as far as resources...hell cyprus has more resources than greece right at this minute...one call to our comrade putin and bank is full again...

but your most comical responce in all this was germany orchestrated all this to replace the turks in turkey with greeks...can anyone really, here in this forum provide prime time comic relief to even match you?...what a comment...

[GreekIslandGirl]

Here is the list of TOTAL external debt, sovereign plus private. The one you cannot get away from. The one which is the REAL amount a sovereign country and its people owe due to 'overspending'. Can I make it any clearer for the statistics fudgers who want to single out Greece for this unfair interest rate punishment, euphemised as "help" to get out of a "greek mess" ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ernal_debt

For comparison:

The United Kingdom, ranked No. 2 is : External Debt: $8,981,000,000,000 on 30 June 2010 and $143,009/capita and 360% of GDP.Since then it has been admitted that this has runaway with them and is no longer under government control because of its immensity. The printing of copious amounts of sterling has increased inflation and is adding to the problem minute by minute! Yet, they convince China to give them cheap money (at 2% interest rates) to "contribute" to "help" Greece (charging 20% interest rates)!

Greece, ranked No. 20 is: External Debt: $532,900,000,000 on 30 June 2010 $47,636/capita and 174% of GDP

[GreekIslandGirl]

The reason the UK gets away with obtaining cheap money is that they have convinced the world they are not corrupt! Lies! They have convinced the world everyone in the UK pays their taxes! Rubbish! They have convinced the world they have a viable infrastructure, good employment, and produce masses of goods for the world! Dreams! They have done all this by spreading propaganda that Greece is all of the things they are "not"!

Meanwhile, idiots like the sheep clones 1a, 1b, 1c etc., continue to help "countries" like the "UK-bank Ltd." to cream huge interest rate payments off Greece by spreading the lies and propangada against Greece and its people. Greeks will believe anything said against themselves (naturally humble) because they have been brainwashed for years to believe that the English are gentlemen, to be trusted. Myth!

When they have finished with Greece they will turn on Cyprus!

Stop helping the bankers!

[Me Ed]

I think you guys should try to catch this excellent documetary about Greece and the Euro-Crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hllyd

[boomerang]

i don't think mad cow desease will ever get eradicated, not from this forum anyway...

The reason the UK gets away with obtaining cheap money is that they have convinced the world they are not corrupt! Lies! They have convinced the world everyone in the UK pays their taxes! Rubbish! They have convinced the world they have a viable infrastructure, good employment, and produce masses of goods for the world! Dreams! They have done all this by spreading propaganda that Greece is all of the things they are "not"!

New Greek Threat: More Credit for Us Or No More Gyros for You

Written by Michael Balton

Tuesday, 24 January 2012


Athens -- Facing a debt burden that could enslave its citizens for decades to come, Greece has gone on the offensive, declaring it will halt the production of gyros worldwide if it's not given a larger line of credit.

"Go ahead and laugh, but I can assure you your local Greek diner or deli has at most a four-day supply of Gyro ingredients," said Mikos Demetrius, Greece's Minister of Sandwich Provisions. "Once that's gone, you will no longer taste the deliciousness of the Gyro unless more credit is served up to Greece."

At issue is the cylinder of meat that is spun roasted and sliced to become the signature ingredient of a Gyro.

Some say it is a mixture of minced lamb and beef. Others say its phallic shape is an obscenity. But Mr. Demetrius contends the meat comes directly from the giant gyrus, a distant cousin of the giraffe, which reportedly can be found only in the Greek highlands.

"We are asking the world's financial powers to be like giraffes, to look above and beyond this little debt debate and see the big picture," the Greek minister said. "Credit has its limits, but Gyros are forever."

In a related development, the futures markets for white yogurt sauce were thrown into chaos as the result of the threat of a Gyro ban. Initially, the price went up to over $100 a barrel. Then it plummeted to $2.50, when traders realized that without the gyrus there is no Gyro, and therefore no need for yogurt sauce.

The McDonald's Corporation, meanwhile, recently began test marketing a new sandwich called the McLambwich. However, the product was pulled from the menu after several diners began coughing up wool balls.

Mr. Demetrius was philosophical about entire situation: "Greece has gone from being the cradle of democracy to becoming the world's number one party nation. It is only fitting that a sandwich will save us. Do you want hot sauce on yours?"

this explains why the UK is getting cheap loans...they must have an ample supply of gyros ingredients...

can someone translate this article in mouuuuuuuuu language for the benefit of the impoverished mad cows?...

[kimon07]

Poem by Günter Grass to Greek crisis

shame of Europe

The chaos near, because the market does not do justice ..."
In an angry poem, Nobel laureate Günter Grass expresses the Greek crisis. Europe put the country in which the European idea was originally born in the pillory, it deprives it of its rights and condemned to
Close to chaos, because the market is not just,
you're way out of the country that lent you the cradle.
What with the soul searching, you found was,
is now considered, appraised at scrap value.
As a debtor placed naked on the pillory, suffer a country
owe a thank you to you was saying.
Poverty doomed country whose wealth
adorn museums maintained: kept from you loot.
With the force of arms the inselgesegnete country
ravaged wore the uniform Hölderlin in his knapsack.
Barely tolerated country whose colonels of you
were once tolerated as an ally.
Loses right country to which the power law partner
buckled his belt tighter and tighter.
Antigone defying you wearing black and nationwide
mourning clothes, the people whose guest you have.
However, the country has to wake Croesus related
all that glitters golden hoarded in your vaults.
Sauf finally, drink! scream of Commissioners cheerleaders,
but anger is Socrates you back the cup to the brim.
Cursing in the choir, which is characteristic of you are, the gods,
to disown their Olympus Thy will be required.
You'll waste away mindlessly without the country,
whose mind you, Europe devised.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/gedic ... -1.1366941

Articles by Jose Manuel Lamarque in French and English
dimanche 27 mai 2012
Du pire, prenons le meilleur.

La Grèce est au plus mal de son histoire moderne, et nombreux sont celles et ceux qui critiquent la Grèce, car ils ne veulent pas s’avouer à eux même la vérité ; tout le monde va mal.

Mais cette crise est une chance pour le Grèce !

C’est la possibilité de construire une nouvelle Grèce et que ce soit la jeunesse grecque qui le fasse !
Donnez les clés de la Grèce à la jeunesse grecque !

Les jeunes grecs sont, parmi la jeunesse européenne, ceux étudient le plus. La Grèce a de jeunes intellectuels, de jeunes professeurs, de jeunes médecins, de jeunes agriculteurs, de jeunes ouvriers, de jeunes juristes, de jeunes architectes, de jeunes militaires et de jeunes policiers.
Qu’ils soient tous unis pour reconstruire ce magnifique pays, berceau de notre civilisation, et qui sera l’exemple du monde moderne.

Que les jeunes architectes construisent des maisons, des habitations aux normes environnementales et antisismiques, aux styles grecs. Que l’énergie grecque ne soit plus l’otage de vieux systèmes, à la jeunesse bien éduquée de mettre en place l’énergie solaire, l’énergie éolienne, l’énergie thermique.

Que d’un vieux système de santé naisse une sécurité sociale grecque moderne et équitable. C’est à la jeunesse d’éradiquer la corruption, car en fait, c’est un mal que l’on peut soigner rapidement. C’est à la jeunesse grecque de donner l’espoir de jours meilleurs.

Que les jeunes agriculteurs produisent sans engrais chimiques, sans pesticides. Que les jeunes dentistes grecs s’unissent afin de lancer un vaste mouvement du sourire. Redonner un sourire à tous les grecs âgés qui depuis des décennies ne peuvent recevoir de prothèses et de dentiers. Les dents, c’est la vie, donnez leur un sourire, donne un sourire à Yaya.

C’est à la jeunesse grecque de s’unir et de créer une solidarité hellénique qui montrera au monde entier que les grecs ne sont pas morts, qu’ils sont humains, créatifs, audacieux et courageux.
La jeunesse grecque connaît les problèmes de son pays, de la corruption à l’incurie des élites. C’est la jeunesse grecque qui poursuivra l’histoire d’Ulysse. Car les voyages d’Ulysse sont l’histoire de la Grèce. Et cette jeunesse prouvera que l’on peut préserver ses us et coutumes, ses traditions et son art de vivre avec la modernité, et que le profit n’était qu’un mauvais souvenir, détenu par une minorité égoïste et blasée.

Celles et ceux qui ont mené la Grèce là où elle est doivent être ignorés. Qu’ils remboursent et qu’ils se fassent oublier. L’avenir se fera sans eux.

Ulysse est toujours vivant !

From the worst, take the best.

Greece is in the worst in it’s modern history, and many are those who criticize Greece because they do not want to admit to themselves the truth, everyone is going wrong.

But this crisis is a chance for Greece!

It is the possibility of building a new Greece and whether Greek youth who do!
Give the keys of Greece to the Greek youth!

Young Greeks are among European youth, those studying more. Greece has young intellectuals, young professors, young doctors, young farmers, young workers, young lawyers, young architects, young military officers and young police officers.
They are all united to rebuild this beautiful country, the cradle of our civilization, and that will be the example of the modern world.

That young architects build houses, homes on environmental and earthquake standards, on Greek styles. Greek as energy is no longer hostage to old systems, the well-educated youth to set up solar energy, wind energy, thermal energy.

From the old health system born a modern Greek social security and fair. This is the youth to eradicate corruption, because in fact it is an evil that can be treated quickly. This is the Greek youth to give hope of better days.

That young farmers can produce without chemical fertilizers or pesticides. That young Greek dentists must joined forces to launch a vast movement of smile. Giving a smile to all Greek elderly for decades can not receive implants and dentures. Teeth, are life, give them a smile; give a smile to Yaya.

This is the Greek youth to unite and create Hellenic solidarity which will show the world that the Greeks are not dead, they are human, creative, bold and courageous.
Greek youth understands the problems of their country, from corruption to the elite carelessness. It's Greek youth who continue the story of Odysseus. Ulysses journeys are the story of Greece. And this youth prove that one can preserve its customs, traditions and lifestyle with modernity, and that profit was only a bad memory, held by a minority of selfish and jaded.

Those who led Greece where it is have to be ignored. They have to pay back, and be forgotten. The future will be without them.

Ulysses is still alive!

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samedi 26 mai 2012
Les grecs ont une âme !

Merci Madame Lagarde !

Merci Madame, une fois de plus, de mettre la tête des grecs sous l’eau.
Dans l’interview que vous avez accordée au quotidien britannique The Guardian, vous avez dit : "Je pense que les Grecs devraient commencer par s'entraider collectivement", en "payant tous leurs impôts", "En ce qui concerne les Grecs, je pense aussi à tous ces gens qui essaient tout le temps d'échapper aux taxes". Donc, il n’y a pas que Madame Merkel qui n’aime pas les grecs. Pour vous aussi les grecs sont des voleurs, des tricheurs, des gens peu fréquentables.
Une fois de plus, l’image de la Grèce est ternie par vos propos. Au lieu de redonner espoir, au lieu de rassurer, et de dire que tout est possible, que l’on peut affronter les problèmes et les résoudre, non, vous enfoncez les grecs comme tant d’autres.

Un jour, Madame Lagarde, un jour les grecs relèveront la tête, mais n’auront pas oublié celles et ceux qui les avaient condamné bien avant l’arrivée du bourreau. C’est lamentable, comme il est lamentable d’entendre des grecs, habitant hors de Grèce, et critiquant leur pays et leur peuple.

Vous ne connaissez pas les grecs Madame Lagarde. Les grecs ont de la mémoire, sinon ils ne connaitraient pas l’histoire de l’antiquité sur le bout des doigts.
Songez à la mémoire grec Madame Lagarde, comme Madame Merkel, vous deux, avez peu de mémoire.

Le grec n’est pas une langue morte, les grecs non plus ne sont pas morts, parce qu’ils ont une âme, l’âme grecque !

Thank you Madame Lagarde !

Thank you Madam, once again, you put the greek heads underwater.
In the interview you gave to the Guardian newspaper, you said: "I think the Greeks should start to help each other collectively,", “by paying all their taxes," "For the Greeks, I think of all these people all the time trying to evade taxes. ". So it's not just Ms. Merkel that does not like Greek. About you, the Greeks are also thieves, cheaters, people just unfrequentable.
Once again, the image of Greece is tarnished by your words. Instead of providing hope, instead of reassuring, and say that anything is possible, we can confront the problems and solve them, no, you push down the Greeks like so many others.

One day, Madame Lagarde, one day the Greeks will raise their heads, but will remember those who had condemned before the arrival of the executioner.

It is lamentable, as it is lamentable to hear Greeks, living outside of Greece, and criticizing their country and their people.

You do not know the Greek Ms. Lagarde. The Greeks have memory, otherwise they would not have the knowledge of their ancient history at their fingertips.
Consider the Greek memory Madame Lagarde, as Mrs. Merkel, you two have little memory.

The Greek is not a dead language, nor are the Greeks dead, because they have a soul, the soul of Greece!

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[kimon07]

TWENTY ONE (21) NOBEL LAUREATES SUPPORT GREECE

:Science" magazine publishes today, May 25th, 2012, under the headline “Support for Greece” a letter written by famous German medical researcher and 2008 Nobel laureate Harald zur Hausen, worldwide known for his work that on cancer of the cervix, and discovery of the role of papilloma viruses.

This petition, adressed to Mr. Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament, to Mr. Herman van Rompuy, President of the European Council and to Mr. Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission, is cosigned by another twenty Nobel Laureates and by Pr. Iain Mattaj, chairperson of the European Molecular Biology Laboratory (EMBL).

These leaders in science research propose a series of measures in favour of the Greek scientific research community, referred to as an outstanding and highly contributive one at the European and global scale, in spite of the five year recession period provoked by the unjust and callous measures applied to the country by the IMF, the ECB and the EU.

Here follows an excerpt of the letter:

Greece is in the midst of a prolonged and deep economic recession that has already changed dramatically the lives of its citizens and threatens the very existence of its structures necessary for future recovery.

To regain its forward momentum, keep alive its competitive institutions, and implement its huge reform agenda, Greece needs our help. We are confident that Greece, which has contributed enormously to European culture, can do what is called for to create a brighter future. To succeed in this difficult task, special emphasis should be given among other things to science and technology, areas in which Greece possesses particularly strong institutions and human potential.

By utilizing existing structural funds, and by promoting close cooperation between major European science and technology centres and existing Greek clusters of excellence, Greece can be enabled to sustain its scientific structures, build up its own technological future, and secure a competitive economy in the long run.”

List of signatories:

Peter C. Agre, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2003
Elizabeth H. Blackburn, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2009
Günter Blobel, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1999
Edmond H. Fischer, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1992
Carol W. Greider, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2009
Jules A. Hoffmann, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2011
H. Robert Horvitz, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2002
Sir Richard Timothy (Tim) Hunt, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2001
Eric R. Kandel, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2000
Wolfgang Ketterle, Nobel Prize in Physics 2001
Roger D. Kornberg, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2006
Yuan T. Lee, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1986
Robert, Lord May of Oxford, Royal Swedish Academy’s Crafoord Prize1996
John C. Mather, Nobel Prize in Physics 2006
Prof. Iain Mattaj, Director General, EMBL Sir Paul M. Nurse, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2001
Sir Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2009
Sir Richard J. Roberts, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1993
Hamilton O. Smith, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1978
Thomas A. Steitz, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2009
Kurt Wüthrich, Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2002
Harald zur Hausen, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2008

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94844619/Twen ... ort-Greece

P.S. This post and the previous one, will be my last answers to the biased comments of some guys who, having proven "ripsaspides" and fygomachoi", have the audacity to emerge every now and then from the safety of the depths of the world where they run to hide some decades ago, just to mock or "advise" those of us (Greeks and Cypriots) who chose to STAND and fight and who are still standing and fighting against all odds.

[kimon07]

@ Anna-gr

First to welcome you warmly.

Secondly to congratulate you for your excelent posts.

Thirdly a piece of advise. You will find some people here who's motto is: Ouk an me peiseis kan me peiseis. Don't worry much about them. They are, in any case, very "far away" and I don't mean in terms of dinstances.

[kimon07]

@ Anna-gr

First to welcome you warmly.

Secondly to congratulate you for your excelent posts.

Thirdly a piece of advise. You will find some people here who's motto is: Ouk an me peiseis kan me peiseis. Don't worry much about them. They are, in any case, very "far away" and I don't mean in terms of dinstances.

Additionally: You will notice most of the ones I referred to before, are intentionally and systematically derailing all posts, regardless of their topic, to anti-greek/pro-greek discussions and to subjects such as: are Greek Cypriots Greeks or not etc. Try not to be dragged in that as it's also contrary to the forum rules (I mean the derailing of the subject of the topic). Subjects like that have been and can be discussed under existing threads in the forum dealing specifically with them.

Otherwise my opinion is that the quality of the Forum is quite good and keeps improving. Hope you will stick around to help in that.

[boomerang]

@ Anna-gr

First to welcome you warmly.

Secondly to congratulate you for your excelent posts.

Thirdly a piece of advise. You will find some people here who's motto is: Ouk an me peiseis kan me peiseis. Don't worry much about them. They are, in any case, very "far away" and I don't mean in terms of dinstances.

yeap i second anna as being a great honest poster...

so you saying greece's woes started 18 months ago when georgie got in?...

Does this look like I was refering to just 18 months? I said.

Andreas Papandreou (may he RinH) was the architect and chief engineer of the extensive corruption of the public sector of Greece and the architect and the chief engineer of the bankruptcy of Greece. It was during his terms of office that his lieutenants, like Tsohatzopoulos who is now rotting in jail, and his ministers and party members and friends looted the country blind, mainly through the acquisitions of armaments, mainly from Germany but also from the US and from Russia.

Then came Simitis, the genius who is accused of having manipulated figures with the assistance of the EU and Goldman Sachs in order for Greece to be admitted to the Euro zone and whose government managed to inflate the costs of the Olympic projects three and four times above reasonable cost.

Evidently, I was refering to the periods from 1981 to 1989 (Andreas) and 1993 to at least 2004 (Andreas-Simitis) when all the dirty tricks were performed by Andreas and his mafia party.

And in my previous post I said that it took only 18 months of George in office for the Greek people to realise who he realy is and what he was doing to the country and send him to political oblivion. So you either have a problem understanding what you read or, most probably, you are twisting the meaning of my posts. So typical of you....

These kind of opinions are most unhelpful and strange as a matter of fact. But I do not blame this poster because such ideologically driven opinions are common in Greece amongst the older generations in particular and the uneducated.

Greeks support their political party through thick and thin. The only exception to the rule is now, only because many Greeks are unwilling to undergo more Austerity and reform. Once again, many Greeks are only looking at their pockets and seem to not care that much for Greece itself. It once again comes down to the Euro.

The above poster calls PASOK the "mafia" party. Whilst this may not be altogether incorrect, because they were in power for many years and did lay the foundations for cronyism, he ignores the contributions of New Democracy for also establishing and perpetuation the very same corruption and cronyism. Yet New Democracy escapes his classification of "Mafia" Party!

I do not wish to berate the above member, but merely point out that this type of attitude is common in Greece.

And these attitudes do not help Greece at all because it is these attitudes that try to lay the blame on one particular party or another without looking at the reality of the matter. New Democracy was also in power for many years and did nothing to stop corruption. Why would they? They too benefited from the corruption by stealing money and buying votes for jobs to their supporter base.

I think it was the same poster that referred to George Papandreou's heritage and ethnicity. Quite bizarre to say the least.

Yes, it is going to be hard work indeed, especially with these kind of attitudes being the norm. Not only do we have to fight corruption and injustice in our God Foresaken country, but attitudes such as these which are commonplace.

i just wonder to who the 1st paragragh was reffering to...

These kind of opinions are most unhelpful and strange as a matter of fact. But I do not blame this poster because such ideologically driven opinions are common in Greece amongst the older generations in particular and the uneducated.

so kimon which category do you belong the old or the uneducated...