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[EricSeans]

The shrinking of "Great Britain" is on-going untill ALL "captured foreign lands" are rightfully returned to it's legal owners.

We all know this is inevitable even if it sounds or feels demoralizing to the British "imperial" appetide.

It is time to let go of all relics of Britich colonian era, regardless of the fact that some of them serve as military bases
critical to the defence department (MOD). The Brits must find other means of defence strategies since the on-going
"occupation" of foreign lands is a clear violation of numerous UN international laws.

Argentina and Cyprus, together, should challenge Britain at the international courts seeking withdrawl of Brit troops
and monetary compansation. We don't need these guys stationed in Cyprus... we never did!

Get out before you get kicked out. Do it now (still time for face saving purposes).

To be fair, they don't have a hell of a lot left these days. Situations like Diego Garcia should be condemned for the abominations they are. Funnily enough I think the Brits flogged that place to the Yanks.

[supporttheunderdog]

Now we are talking! What is happening with the carriers STU? I read they will be scrapped. Is that so?

the old carriers have gone, just a at time when they and the harriers might have been useful.

The new carriers will apparently cost more to cancel than to build.. which is "F"'ing crazy, though could be built and possibly flogged off - I hears some Brit politicians were smarming up to that increasing world power Australia to buy one. Otherwise we are likely to share with the French.

Nelson should turn in his grave/barrel of Rum at that idea....

[Bananiot]

Perhaps we can buy one, at a reduced price, for old times sake. Turkey, I hear, will start building them now, but I can't see why. They now have the unsinkable carrier called Cyprus, thanks to our short sightedness (and our great leader Papadopoulos) when we voted for the Turkish army to remain in Cyprus forever, in 2004.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps we can buy one, at a reduced price, for old times sake. Turkey, I hear, will start building them now, but I can't see why. They now have the unsinkable carrier called Cyprus, thanks to our short sightedness (and our great leader Papadopoulos) when we voted for the Turkish army to remain in Cyprus forever, in 2004.

It is truly amazing the amount of trust you have when it comes to Turkey, Bananiot, a country who has not kept any of her guarantor obligations she had signed up to do, but instead, has become an occupying force in Cyprus after ethnically kicking out the GCs from the north, and you think that Turkey was just going to leave Cyprus with the passing of the AP, when Turkey was not even voting on the AP, so why would she even abide with what the AP had to say, even if we were to falsely believe that AP wanted the Turkish Army out of Cyprus. If you are so trusting of others good intentions (bless you), I have an ocean front property in Arizona to sell you for a very good price!

[georgios100]

The shrinking of "Great Britain" is on-going untill ALL "captured foreign lands" are rightfully returned to it's legal owners.

We all know this is inevitable even if it sounds or feels demoralizing to the British "imperial" appetide.

It is time to let go of all relics of Britich colonian era, regardless of the fact that some of them serve as military bases
critical to the defence department (MOD). The Brits must find other means of defence strategies since the on-going
"occupation" of foreign lands is a clear violation of numerous UN international laws.

Argentina and Cyprus, together, should challenge Britain at the international courts seeking withdrawl of Brit troops
and monetary compansation. We don't need these guys stationed in Cyprus... we never did!

Get out before you get kicked out. Do it now (still time for face saving purposes).

To be fair, they don't have a hell of a lot left these days. Situations like Diego Garcia should be condemned for the abominations they are. Funnily enough I think the Brits flogged that place to the Yanks.

The "luxury" of maintaining SBAs is simply out of date. The Yanks have their reasons but the Brits just can't afford it any more.
The British deficit is now thru the roof. What better time than now... declaring the SBA grounds as a contribution to the Cyprus
issue (land Issue)... one more step towards a de-militarized Cyprus from all foreign troops. Next thing, Turkey might "see" this as
a face saving opening and remove a portion of it's troops (it's a start) as a gesture of good will...

One never knows what would come out of this, I see only good things in the horizon...

Brits, the ball is in your court... make your move!

[Bananiot]

Kikapu, in effect you are saying that we must not trust Turkey. Even if they offer us the best possible solution, Turkey, you are saying, is not to be trusted. This is extrememely demoralising for all Cypriots at heart, TC and GC, for Turkey is an important player in this issue, whether we like it or not. If you answer, in the spirit of wishful thinkers, that Turkey will be forced to capitulate, then honestly I cannot see how and who will do this, at a time when Turkey is gaining points in all fields and is fast becoming the region's super power, with the blessing of the West and the East. At the same time Greece has gone down the drain and basically she has left the playing field, seriously injured.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, in effect you are saying that we must not trust Turkey. Even if they offer us the best possible solution, Turkey, you are saying, is not to be trusted. This is extrememely demoralising for all Cypriots at heart, TC and GC, for Turkey is an important player in this issue, whether we like it or not. If you answer, in the spirit of wishful thinkers, that Turkey will be forced to capitulate, then honestly I cannot see how and who will do this, at a time when Turkey is gaining points in all fields and is fast becoming the region's super power, with the blessing of the West and the East. At the same time Greece has gone down the drain and basically she has left the playing field, seriously injured.

In effect I'm saying that actions are far more trustworthy than just words alone, Bananiot!

That's just my point. AP or no AP, Turkey would have done what she wanted to do as she has already demonstrated in what she is doing to date. At least the RoC now has some political capital over Turkey's EU future to have at least the capacity to have "meetings of the minds" in future negotiations that will see Turkey off the island in return for a greater gain for Turkey, the EU. Had the AP passed, Turkey not only would have still been in Cyprus, but would have held ALL the cards also. That's what would have been extremely demoralising for all Cypriots at heart, GCs and TCs.

[Bananiot]

We had some sort of leverage over Turkey in 2003. With the RoC on the doorsteps of EU, the TC's revolting against Denktash and Turkey almost desperate for EU accession, we allowed this unique opportunity to escape. Now, at this point of time, with the current situation much different than it was in 2003, with Turkey amassing great financial might and political clout and openly telling the EU "I do not need you, but you need me" I find it difficult to see how we can twist the arm of Turkey to make consessions. Especially if Turkey is what you want us to believe it stands for.

[Kikapu]

We had some sort of leverage over Turkey in 2003. With the RoC on the doorsteps of EU, the TC's revolting against Denktash and Turkey almost desperate for EU accession, we allowed this unique opportunity to escape. Now, at this point of time, with the current situation much different than it was in 2003, with Turkey amassing great financial might and political clout and openly telling the EU "I do not need you, but you need me" I find it difficult to see how we can twist the arm of Turkey to make consessions. Especially if Turkey is what you want us to believe it stands for.

I'm sorry Dear Bananiot, but the RoC did not have any leverage over Turkey before the 2004 referendum. After 2004, yes, but not before. You seem to fall for the "smoking mirrors" tactics with the so called "revolt" against Denktash and Turkey by the TCs. The "TCs" and settlers would have gotten everything they wanted with the AP, so what was it that they were revolting against. I know, I know, you believe that Denktash was against the AP, just because he said so. No doubt more smoking mirrors from him and Turkey too. Lets not forget what Halil said, "that the AP was going to give him EVERYTHING", and he was correct. No wonder they even held a 7th year vigil in the "trnc" very recently on the demise of the AP in 2004.

As for Turkey's so called great economic might is grossly exaggerated and things are not as rosy as we are lead to believe. The fact that 60% of Turk can't even afford to buy meat is closer to the truth. The GDP per capita is around £8,000 US Dollars at best, thanks to mostly her goods going to the EU. All developing countries have a high growth rates of 8% or more, but it also comes with high interest rates and high inflation rate. Turkey as we speak is on the verge of having a over heated economy, and that's not very healthy for her, to say the least. Turkey can play the "reverse psychology" game as much as she wants that the EU needs her more than she needs the EU, just because it is the ONLY face saving play she can make. If Turkey wasn't interested in becoming an EU member, they would have withdrawn their application by now, and more importantly, if the EU was so eager to make Turkey a member, they would have found a way to make her a member already, so don't fall into Turkey's con game shenanigans that she holds all the cards and that the RoC has no influence on her EU dreams, or else you will end up with a Egg Foo Yung on your face.

[Paphitis]

Perhaps we can buy one, at a reduced price, for old times sake. Turkey, I hear, will start building them now, but I can't see why. They now have the unsinkable carrier called Cyprus, thanks to our short sightedness (and our great leader Papadopoulos) when we voted for the Turkish army to remain in Cyprus forever, in 2004.

Turkey is not planning to build Aircraft Carriers.

Aircraft Carriers are designed to project power and give Strategic Strike capabilities. Countries like Australia find themselves under British and US pressure to acquire these capabilities, as part of some kind of China (and North Korean) containment strategy in the future. But for now, these nations are in each other's pockets as both economies rely heavily on one another, so I don't see these US fears of such a Regional War ever occuring, atleast not while each nations benefits from large ammounts of $$$$$$$$$ kaching!!! They want us to buy the British boat OR convert the Canberra Class to fully flung Aircraft Carriers