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[bill cobbett]

i think if you concentrated slightly you would have understood that the link between land exchange for recognition equals two separate countries.

Well thanks for the insult and for clearing that up mate.

Reh Pyro file ..... we're hearing it from the Ass's mouth, ...

it's funny how the english language so often uses the same words to mean different things...

but u've used a word which means two entirely different things to describe someone; and both meanings are correct. congratulations, billy boy... i salute u.

Why thank you Zocoro, you are so sweet.

Tic-Toc.... sorry got a clock running....

Well should be clear that VP sees a purpose to these talks, and believe Eroglu turns up at these talks to wind down the clock, to throw "proposals", proposals that go outside the agreed BBF, outside a Single Personality, outside CY Sovereignty, outside the UN Resolutions, outside International Law and EU Principles, unreasonable suggestions, so as to be able to claim the other side is inflexible... to wind down the clock... Pretty obvious ain't it?

Tic-Toc

Goodwill? Well look at the nationalist speeches Eroglu makes and at VPs' posts. Not exactly filled with Goodwill are they? Not exactly reaching out to the other man are they?

Tic Toc

Erroglu (like "the talks will get us nowhere" VP) have a well set out aim, an end-game for these talks, and that's as VP tells us time and time again, is to get nowhere.

Tic-Toc

This does lead on to another even bigger worry about interpretations and meanings of words and phrases at these talks. If we go with Pyro's figure of 30% of CYs in the Occupied Areas go with No Hope VP, on a Two Country Solution, and feel the same way about running down the clock, just what do the other 70% want?

Oh dear... am confused again.

Anyone seen Halil? ... will stop the clock while we look for him.

[Pyrpolizer]

i think if you concentrated slightly you would have understood that the link between land exchange for recognition equals two separate countries.

Well thanks for the insult and for clearing that up mate.

Reh Pyro file ..... we're hearing it from the Ass's mouth, ...you got it wrong reh... VP is def an out and out, no holds barred and very scabby Two Separate Countries bleeding Partitionist, ... in the finest Donktosh tradition....

I have never hidden the fact that after the failure of the AP i started to support a clean cut solution division, I test my belief on this forum by debating with you what you support against mine and to date I am yet to be impressed to a degree to even consider anything else, you people have not yet arrived at my destination that we will never agree a BBF therefore we will never unite, therefore you to will one day like me understand that agree division is the solution option left.

The truth is you were always a taksimist, but despite the classical taksimists who don't want to give not an inch of land back, you are a bit cleverer thinking the Kypreos will give your so desired taksim wrapped in a lose confederation paper where the two sides will have almost nothing in common.
JUST FORGET IT.

It's upto you to elect a leader who can negotiate an acceptable type of BBF. With this idiot Eroglu, you are getting nowhere.
Furthermore be realistic. There will NEVER BE any Kypreos President who will sign away any part of Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

i think if you concentrated slightly you would have understood that the link between land exchange for recognition equals two separate countries.

Well thanks for the insult and for clearing that up mate.

Reh Pyro file ..... we're hearing it from the Ass's mouth, ...

it's funny how the english language so often uses the same words to mean different things...

but u've used a word which means two entirely different things to describe someone; and both meanings are correct. congratulations, billy boy... i salute u.

Why thank you Zocoro, you are so sweet.

Tic-Toc.... sorry got a clock running....

Well should be clear that VP sees a purpose to these talks, and believe Eroglu turns up at these talks to wind down the clock, to throw "proposals", proposals that go outside the agreed BBF, outside a Single Personality, outside CY Sovereignty, outside the UN Resolutions, outside International Law and EU Principles, unreasonable suggestions, so as to be able to claim the other side is inflexible... to wind down the clock... Pretty obvious ain't it?

Tic-Toc

Goodwill? Well look at the nationalist speeches Eroglu makes and at VPs' posts. Not exactly filled with Goodwill are they? Not exactly reaching out to the other man are they?

Tic Toc

Erroglu (like "the talks will get us nowhere" VP) have a well set out aim, an end-game for these talks, and that's as VP tells us time and time again, is to get nowhere.

Tic-Toc

This does lead on to another even bigger worry about interpretations and meanings of words and phrases at these talks. If we go with Pyro's figure of 30% of CYs in the Occupied Areas go with No Hope VP, on a Two Country Solution, and feel the same way about running down the clock, just what do the other 70% want?

Oh dear... am confused again.

Anyone seen Halil? ... will stop the clock while we look for him.

The remaining 70% want a solution my friend. The vast majority of the Kibrislis are simplistic people just like the vast majority of the Kypreos. The are not very interested for the fine political details of the solution, all they want is not suffer from a solution. The majority of them feel very embarrassed living in Kypreos houses they will be more than glad to return the properties if the government helps them to build new houses, or builds them for them. Of course there is also the scam who benefits from this stealing... This is the "depth" of their demands.
The same goes for the Kypreos. If they get the right to return and get their properties back even on a time schedule they will vote yes.90% of the Kypreos will never return anyway and at least 50% of them will sell it, but if any solution deprives them their free choice they will reject it.

NB.
1)You don't need Halil. He a representative example of a the most simplistic Kibrislis as i described above.
Good person, caring for his friends, a good Cypriot in general. He wants a solution
2)99% of the Cypriots have not understood a single word from the Anan Plan. They just voted by asking others. My old man voted yes because he learned he would go back to Varoshia in 100 days. Simple and straight forward reason.

[bill cobbett]

i think if you concentrated slightly you would have understood that the link between land exchange for recognition equals two separate countries.

Well thanks for the insult and for clearing that up mate.

Reh Pyro file ..... we're hearing it from the Ass's mouth, ...

it's funny how the english language so often uses the same words to mean different things...

but u've used a word which means two entirely different things to describe someone; and both meanings are correct. congratulations, billy boy... i salute u.

Why thank you Zocoro, you are so sweet.

Tic-Toc.... sorry got a clock running....

Well should be clear that VP sees a purpose to these talks, and believe Eroglu turns up at these talks to wind down the clock, to throw "proposals", proposals that go outside the agreed BBF, outside a Single Personality, outside CY Sovereignty, outside the UN Resolutions, outside International Law and EU Principles, unreasonable suggestions, so as to be able to claim the other side is inflexible... to wind down the clock... Pretty obvious ain't it?

Tic-Toc

Goodwill? Well look at the nationalist speeches Eroglu makes and at VPs' posts. Not exactly filled with Goodwill are they? Not exactly reaching out to the other man are they?

Tic Toc

Erroglu (like "the talks will get us nowhere" VP) have a well set out aim, an end-game for these talks, and that's as VP tells us time and time again, is to get nowhere.

Tic-Toc

This does lead on to another even bigger worry about interpretations and meanings of words and phrases at these talks. If we go with Pyro's figure of 30% of CYs in the Occupied Areas go with No Hope VP, on a Two Country Solution, and feel the same way about running down the clock, just what do the other 70% want?

Oh dear... am confused again.

Anyone seen Halil? ... will stop the clock while we look for him.

The remaining 70% want a solution my friend. The vast majority of the Kibrislis are simplistic people just like the vast majority of the Kypreos. The are not very interested for the fine political details of the solution, all they want is not suffer from a solution. The majority of them feel very embarrassed living in Kypreos houses they will be more than glad to return the properties if the government helps them to build new houses, or builds them for them. Of course there is also the scam who benefits from this stealing... This is the "depth" of their demands.
The same goes for the Kypreos. If they get the right to return and get their properties back even on a time schedule they will vote yes.90% of the Kypreos will never return anyway and at least 50% of them will sell it, but if any solution deprives them their free choice they will reject it.

NB.
1)You don't need Halil. He a representative example of a the most simplistic Kibrislis as i described above.
Good person, caring for his friends, a good Cypriot in general. He wants a solution
2)99% of the Cypriots have not understood a single word from the Anan Plan. They just voted by asking others. My old man voted yes because he learned he would go back to Varoshia in 100 days. Simple and straight forward reason.

Thanks for that Pyr, ...naughty calling Halil "simplistic"... makes him out to be some kind of uneducated Anatolian peasant...

Ok will go with you on 70% wanting a solution, and am more than happy when you talk of the "embarrassment" of taking refuge in other people's houses... and can add that own experiences of CYs living in the Occupied Areas have been first rate, brill and very warm people with the single exception of a certain scammy unmentionable who has brought his whole village into disrepute by withdrawing an offer of a klethtico meal... but Pyro my dear, we can talk about solutions until the cows come home, and these are very important days for CY, we need to understand some of the detail of where people stand, and the international community will read the detail, they will hold CY to the details of the agreement.

We now know where VP stands, really still want answers from one or two of the other 70%, then perhaps we can move on to the other side of the cease-fire line as the OP asks, cos we need clarifications in to the meanings of the words and phrases in a future written agreement, what do they understand a BBF to mean for instance,.. and to give us an equally important grasp of how people will interpret the spirit of agreement.

[Kikapu]

i think if you concentrated slightly you would have understood that the link between land exchange for recognition equals two separate countries.

Well thanks for the insult and for clearing that up mate.

Reh Pyro file ..... we're hearing it from the Ass's mouth, ...you got it wrong reh... VP is def an out and out, no holds barred and very scabby Two Separate Countries bleeding Partitionist, ... in the finest Donktosh tradition....

I have never hidden the fact that after the failure of the AP i started to support a clean cut solution division, I test my belief on this forum by debating with you what you support against mine and to date I am yet to be impressed to a degree to even consider anything else, you people have not yet arrived at my destination that we will never agree a BBF therefore we will never unite, therefore you to will one day like me understand that agree division is the solution option left.

That's a bold face lie. The only reason why you voted for the AP, was because you knew it was going to be a disguised partition through a confederation as well as have Turkey rule over Cyprus, so stop with the lies that you ONLY converted to being a partitionist after the failure of the AP. Once the AP had failed and the RoC was in the EU, then there went your disguise partition plans, so now you come out into the open and basically demand in the open what the AP had hidden. You didn't become a Racist Fascists after 2004. No you did not. You became that way when you first came to Cyprus from the UK in the early 90's to enjoy the spoils of war.

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks for that Pyr, ...naughty calling Halil "simplistic"... makes him out to be some kind of uneducated Anatolian peasant...

Ok will go with you on 70% wanting a solution, and am more than happy when you talk of the "embarrassment" of taking refuge in other people's houses... and can add that own experiences of CYs living in the Occupied Areas have been first rate, brill and very warm people with the single exception of a certain scammy unmentionable who has brought his whole village into disrepute by withdrawing an offer of a klethtico meal... but Pyro my dear, we can talk about solutions until the cows come home, and these are very important days for CY, we need to understand some of the detail of where people stand, and the international community will read the detail, they will hold CY to the details of the agreement.

We now know where VP stands, really still want answers from one or two of the other 70%, then perhaps we can move on to the other side of the cease-fire line as the OP asks, cos we need clarifications in to the meanings of the words and phrases in a future written agreement, what do they understand a BBF to mean for instance,.. and to give us an equally important grasp of how people will interpret the spirit of agreement.

My friend I only talk from personal experience. I was never a communist but I voted for Christofias and I believe he is the best President we ever had at least regarding his handling of the CY Prob. regarding the need to know how the Kibrislis stand please, notice Christofias has not one one, but TWO Kibrisli personal advisers. I believe he knows very well what the Kibrislis want.
Not to mention that hard liner Kibrisli communist are like brothers and sisters with the Kypreos communists of Akel party, they meet every day, of course they are a bit biased but don't forget the communist Cypriots are about 30%+. Quite a big percentage.

[ZoC]

1)You don't need Halil. He a representative example of a the most simplistic Kibrislis as i described above.

Good person, caring for his friends, a good Cypriot in general. He wants a solution

or, failing that, he wants...

[Viewpoint]

Thanks for that Pyr, ...naughty calling Halil "simplistic"... makes him out to be some kind of uneducated Anatolian peasant...

Ok will go with you on 70% wanting a solution, and am more than happy when you talk of the "embarrassment" of taking refuge in other people's houses... and can add that own experiences of CYs living in the Occupied Areas have been first rate, brill and very warm people with the single exception of a certain scammy unmentionable who has brought his whole village into disrepute by withdrawing an offer of a klethtico meal... but Pyro my dear, we can talk about solutions until the cows come home, and these are very important days for CY, we need to understand some of the detail of where people stand, and the international community will read the detail, they will hold CY to the details of the agreement.

We now know where VP stands, really still want answers from one or two of the other 70%, then perhaps we can move on to the other side of the cease-fire line as the OP asks, cos we need clarifications in to the meanings of the words and phrases in a future written agreement, what do they understand a BBF to mean for instance,.. and to give us an equally important grasp of how people will interpret the spirit of agreement.

My friend I only talk from personal experience. I was never a communist but I voted for Christofias and I believe he is the best President we ever had at least regarding his handling of the CY Prob. regarding the need to know how the Kibrislis stand please, notice Christofias has not one one, but TWO Kibrisli personal advisers. I believe he knows very well what the Kibrislis want.
Not to mention that hard liner Kibrisli communist are like brothers and sisters with the Kypreos communists of Akel party, they meet every day, of course they are a bit biased but don't forget the communist Cypriots are about 30%+. Quite a big percentage.

Who are these TC advisers?

[kurupetos]

Thanks for that Pyr, ...naughty calling Halil "simplistic"... makes him out to be some kind of uneducated Anatolian peasant...

Ok will go with you on 70% wanting a solution, and am more than happy when you talk of the "embarrassment" of taking refuge in other people's houses... and can add that own experiences of CYs living in the Occupied Areas have been first rate, brill and very warm people with the single exception of a certain scammy unmentionable who has brought his whole village into disrepute by withdrawing an offer of a klethtico meal... but Pyro my dear, we can talk about solutions until the cows come home, and these are very important days for CY, we need to understand some of the detail of where people stand, and the international community will read the detail, they will hold CY to the details of the agreement.

We now know where VP stands, really still want answers from one or two of the other 70%, then perhaps we can move on to the other side of the cease-fire line as the OP asks, cos we need clarifications in to the meanings of the words and phrases in a future written agreement, what do they understand a BBF to mean for instance,.. and to give us an equally important grasp of how people will interpret the spirit of agreement.

My friend I only talk from personal experience. I was never a communist but I voted for Christofias and I believe he is the best President we ever had at least regarding his handling of the CY Prob. regarding the need to know how the Kibrislis stand please, notice Christofias has not one one, but TWO Kibrisli personal advisers. I believe he knows very well what the Kibrislis want.
Not to mention that hard liner Kibrisli communist are like brothers and sisters with the Kypreos communists of Akel party, they meet every day, of course they are a bit biased but don't forget the communist Cypriots are about 30%+. Quite a big percentage.

Who are these TC advisers?

[repulsewarrior]

Excuse me my friend but... do you like talking to yourself?

...indeed, if it means that my voice adds to the chorus of people who seek liberation for Cyprus, and an end to the Ignorance which makes subjugation possible anywhere.

...two states, (or three or four...) can nurture their identity on this tiny island as it has for many years longer than this dispute, as Cypriots there is unity in one State, our objective is to define these Principals in a manner which can be emulated by other members of our family Mankind, being held in high esteem.

vp chooses to be "Turkish", you are choosing to be "Greek" in opposing him as a Greek, i have chosen to see Cyprus, its dwellers, as Human Beings.

Bicommunal won't have a definition, as such, until we create this geography as a Country, Land for Recognition does not have to mean tearing the island in two; (there are many topics open in the Problem Solutions section that support this)

...dearest friend vp, read my manifesto, and the manifesto thingy, read my stuff on enclaves; i want you to prove my thinking is racist.