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by **Sotos** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:44 pm

stud, can you please stop polluting my thread with irrelevant things? Just because you are technologically challenged and you can not understand that what I write here is not relevant with p2p, torrents and card sharing this doesn't mean you can post off-topic issues in my thread!!

by **Sotos** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:59 pm

I discovered another way to be able to access Netflix, Hulu, BBC iPlayer etc from Cyprus: http://unblock-us.com/ This service is not exactly a VPN and it has several advantages (and few disadvantages) from a VPN service. With this service you just change the DNS settings of your PC, router or even some media players and you can access any of the video streaming services they support from any country. All other sites see your regular Cyprus IP. This makes this service much easier to setup, particularly for things like a router and a media player. It also means that you don't have to connect and disconnect from the a VPN. You just set it up once and you are done. The service is $5 per month, and you can get a free 1 week trial (without giving your credit card, just an email address). I am trying this service now and it works perfectly so far. The only disadvantage is that you can not use this service for more obscure sites like you can do with a VPN.

by **supporttheunderdog** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:33 pm

Sotos wrote:stud, can you please stop polluting my thread with irrelevant things? Just because you are technologically challenged and you can not understand that what I write here is not relevant with p2p, torrents and card sharing this doesn't mean you can post off-topic issues in my thread!!

No I am not discussing torrents or p2p : I have never mentioned them.

Now If netflix or some other streaming service has legally acquired the right from the copyright holder to broadcast certain materials over the intnet then yes I agree there is no offence but many of the VPN's are illegally tapping into the stream and then reditributing illegally.

Unless someone has the clear permission of a copyright holder, by proving you with access to a stream of copyright material without permission, that person, eg a VPN provider,(who is normally in effect a card sharer) is in breach of copyright. Under various laws he may well be committing a criminal offence in redestributing that copyright material without the permission of the copyright owner. He is doing is the streaming equivalent of buying a book, photocying it, or a CD or DVD disc, and copying it, and then selling you the copy. Buying access to that material involves the recipient in a possible criminal offence.

Virtualy any method or technique that allows circumvention of or vioaltion of the rights of broadcasters to control access to their content except on payment of any charges the legitimate broadcaster may levy is probably illgeal, and you may well find this applies to the service you mention in your last post. Do they have the full permission friom say Sky to sell you access to Sky's service at such a reduced price?

The message is clear : Once you step away from direct reception from a properly licensed broadcaster by the means permitted by that broadcaster you and the people who have faciliated the the data supply to you are probably committing criminal offences. Understood?

Other CFer's have a right to know that what you suggest could land tham before a court. If they want to run the risk that is their option but they should do so in the full knowldge of the risks.

by **Sotos** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:49 pm

No I am not discussing torrents or p2p : I have never mentioned them.

The article you linked to did.

Now If netflix or some other streaming service has legally acquired the right from the copyright holder to broadcast certain materials over the intnet then yes I agree there is no offence

Netflix and similar services have legally acquired the right from the copyright holder to broadcast certain materials over the internet.

many of the VPN's are illegally tapping into the stream and then reditributing illegally.

No they don't.

Unless someone has the clear permission of a copyright holder, by proving you with access to a stream of copyright material without permission, that person, eg a VPN provider,(who is normally in effect a card sharer) is in breach of copyright.

No it is not. There is no "card" and no "card sharing". The VPN provider just provides the bandwidth and they are as much responsible for how you use that bandwidth as your local ISP is.

Virtualy any method or technique that allows circumvention of or vioaltion of the rights of broadcasters to control access to their content except on payment of any charges the legitimate broadcaster may levy is probably illgeal, and you may well find this applies to the service you mention in your last post. Do they have the full permission friom say Sky to sell you access to Sky's service at such a reduced price?

What Sky??? You are confusing what I am talking about with something totally irrelevant. The price I pay for the service is the FULL price. Netflix is $8 per month and that is the full price for the service. Nothing is reduced.

The message is clear : Once you step away from direct reception from a properly licensed broadcaster by the means permitted by that broadcaster you and the people who have faciliated the the data supply to you are probably committing criminal offences. Understood?

Are you saying that CyTA is committing a criminal offense because it facilitates the "data supply"?

Other CFer's have a right to know that what you suggest could land tham before a court. If they want to run the risk that is their option but they should do so in the full knowldge of the risks.

There is no risk. The worst thing that can happen is that at some point they can lose access to the service. But since this is something you pay per month the most somebody could loose is $8 and even this scenario is highly unlikely. Those who "facilitate" the data supply which are your ISP and the VPN Service are 100% legal. Services such as Netflix are also 100% legal. The only "illegality" that is committed here is equivalent of buying a Region 1 DVD in the USA and then bringing it and watching it in Cyprus (for personal use only). You clearly don't understand the subject at all so stop pretending to be an expert!!!

by **johnkim** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:04 am

I've developed a workaround to watch Netflix Outside USA.

Basically, you will need a Virtual Prepaid U.S. credit card and a proxy service to allow you to sign up and watch Netflix outside USA.

by **Sotos** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:38 pm

johnkim wrote:I've developed a workaround to watch Netflix Outside USA.

Basically, you will need a Virtual Prepaid U.S. credit card and a proxy service to allow you to sign up and watch Netflix outside USA.

I got my subscription with my VISA issued from a Cyprus Bank.

by **supporttheunderdog** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:05 pm

here is news item from a law firm on the capture and distribution of TV broadcasts using the internet
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ITV Broadcasting Ltd and others v TV Catchup Ltd [2011] EWHC 1874 (Pat), 18 July 2011
TV Catchup Limited (TVC) operated a live-streaming website on the internet which allowed users to view live UK television. ITV Broadcasts Ltd (ITV) claimed that TVC’s broadcasts infringed broadcasters’ rights, constituting a communication to the public by electronic transmission and therefore was an act restricted by copyright under Section 20(1)(c) of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (“CDPA”).
In the Judge’s provisional view, the acts of TVC in intercepting the claimants' broadcasts (and works comprised therein) and making them available via the internet amounted to acts of communication to the public, but this question will be referred to the ECJ. Whether the 1-40 seconds of buffering time that occurred during the streaming amounted to a substantial part of a film was not determined – the Judge preferring to wait for the ECJ decision in Football Association Premier League v QC Leisure. The Judge did opine however that there is no reproduction of the broadcasts (as distinct from films), as what exists in the buffers cannot properly be regarded as part of the broadcast – however the ECJ will be referred a question on this too.

Here is the full court case.

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cg ... od=boolean
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It is almost certainly the case that anyone who operates any sort of service which purposefully captures and process and then distributes a broadcast signal without the consent of the original broadcaster is committing an offence involving violation of the rights of copyright holders,

by **Sotos** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:44 pm

Netflix and Hulu buy the rights for everything they stream. You continue to be extremely confused if you compare the multi-million companies I mention in this thread with something like Catchup. In fact right now Google, Yahoo, Amazon etc are bidding to buy Hulu for over $1 Billion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/ ... UR20110824 In a few years everything will be streaming. The days of traditional broadcasting and physical media are numbered.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/netf ... g-in-june/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le1960554/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 93318.html
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/ne ... dmap_f.php
http://news.yahoo.com/netflix-deal-help ... 36296.html
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/ ... hulu-deal/
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/05/abch ... outube.php

by **Sotos** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:49 pm

As far as the VPN services go they are as related to broadcasters as your ISP is. If somebody uses his internet to do something that he is not supposed to do you can not hold responsible the companies that provided him with the bandwidth.