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How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.

This is all hype, you know full well that we will be out numbered therefore the power will be in the hand of the GCs and they will do as they wish even your excuse for a plan gave them that right.

[Kikapu]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.

This is all hype, you know full well that we will be out numbered therefore the power will be in the hand of the GCs and they will do as they wish even your excuse for a plan gave them that right.

That would be the case under a Unitary State, but under BBF, that will not be the case and I have shown you that many times. Why do you think at the time Denktash agreed to a BBF.? The fact that he and Turkey had other sinister ideas for Cyprus other than a peaceful Federal Cyprus is another topic for another day. The fact that you do not understand how a True Federation works is also another matter. I've stated to you many times, that a Federal states under the Federal Government's umbrella run their own state free from Federal interferences 99% of the time, since Federal government does not interfere with how states are run as long as they do not violate Federal Laws. It is that simple.

[bill cobbett]

Kikapu.... one thing (amongst others of course) that catches my eye in the recent days in the talks are negotiations about the right of each zone to conclude International Agreements... In your experience over in the US, do the American states have anything similar? ... or am right in saying that international treaties are the preserve of the US Fed Govenment.... ???

[Kikapu]

Kikapu.... one thing (amongst others of course) that catches my eye in the recent days in the talks are negotiations about the right of each zone to conclude International Agreements... In your experience over in the US, do the American states have anything similar? ... or am right in saying that international treaties are the preserve of the US Fed Govenment.... ???

Only the Federal USA Government can sign treaties with other nations. Individual states can negotiate business dealings with other countries as long as they are within the Federal guidelines. In other words, if the US government has sanctions against another country or tariff disputes, a Federal state cannot go behind the US government back and do business with the country in dispute against Federal guidelines. But for ALL treaties, that is only done by the US government with the backing of the US congress in most of the cases of course, which include members from ALL the Federal states. Such an agreement must not happen in Cyprus where each state can make treaties with other countries. Next thing you know, the north state will invite Turkey to have a base in Cyprus.

The Native Americans have their own nation within the USA, which is independent from the USA, and even they cannot sign treaties with other nations, just the ones they signed back when with United States. Most of them are not even US citizens and if they wish to travel abroad, they are required to obtain US citizenships, which many Native Americans resent.

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How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.

This is all hype, you know full well that we will be out numbered therefore the power will be in the hand of the GCs and they will do as they wish even your excuse for a plan gave them that right.

That would be the case under a Unitary State, but under BBF, that will not be the case and I have shown you that many times. Why do you think at the time Denktash agreed to a BBF.? The fact that he and Turkey had other sinister ideas for Cyprus other than a peaceful Federal Cyprus is another topic for another day. The fact that you do not understand how a True Federation works is also another matter. I've stated to you many times, that a Federal states under the Federal Government's umbrella run their own state free from Federal interferences 99% of the time, since Federal government does not interfere with how states are run as long as they do not violate Federal Laws. It is that simple.

Who makes the federal laws that both states have to abide by? simple like you really.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu.... one thing (amongst others of course) that catches my eye in the recent days in the talks are negotiations about the right of each zone to conclude International Agreements... In your experience over in the US, do the American states have anything similar? ... or am right in saying that international treaties are the preserve of the US Fed Govenment.... ???

Only the Federal USA Government can sign treaties with other nations. Individual states can negotiate business dealings with other countries as long as they are within the Federal guidelines. In other words, if the US government has sanctions against another country or tariff disputes, a Federal state cannot go behind the US government back and do business with the country in dispute against Federal guidelines. But for ALL treaties, that is only done by the US government with the backing of the US congress in most of the cases of course, which include members from ALL the Federal states. Such an agreement must not happen in Cyprus where each state can make treaties with other countries. Next thing you know, the north state will invite Turkey to have a base in Cyprus.

The Native Americans have their own nation within the USA, which is independent from the USA, and even they cannot sign treaties with other nations, just the ones they signed back when with United States. Most of them are not even US citizens and if they wish to travel abroad, they are required to obtain US citizenships, which many Native Americans resent.

Proves my point 100%.

[Pyrpolizer]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.

This is all hype, you know full well that we will be out numbered therefore the power will be in the hand of the GCs and they will do as they wish even your excuse for a plan gave them that right.

That would be the case under a Unitary State, but under BBF, that will not be the case and I have shown you that many times. Why do you think at the time Denktash agreed to a BBF.? The fact that he and Turkey had other sinister ideas for Cyprus other than a peaceful Federal Cyprus is another topic for another day. The fact that you do not understand how a True Federation works is also another matter. I've stated to you many times, that a Federal states under the Federal Government's umbrella run their own state free from Federal interferences 99% of the time, since Federal government does not interfere with how states are run as long as they do not violate Federal Laws. It is that simple.

Who makes the federal laws that both states have to abide by? simple like you really.

are you sure you have the brains to understand even if they explain you?

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Answer the question if you can.

[ZoC]

Who makes the federal laws that both states have to abide by? simple like you really.

are you sure you have the brains to understand even if they explain you?

vp's brains are on display in his avatar... u do the math....

[Kikapu]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.

This is all hype, you know full well that we will be out numbered therefore the power will be in the hand of the GCs and they will do as they wish even your excuse for a plan gave them that right.

That would be the case under a Unitary State, but under BBF, that will not be the case and I have shown you that many times. Why do you think at the time Denktash agreed to a BBF.? The fact that he and Turkey had other sinister ideas for Cyprus other than a peaceful Federal Cyprus is another topic for another day. The fact that you do not understand how a True Federation works is also another matter. I've stated to you many times, that a Federal states under the Federal Government's umbrella run their own state free from Federal interferences 99% of the time, since Federal government does not interfere with how states are run as long as they do not violate Federal Laws. It is that simple.

Who makes the federal laws that both states have to abide by? simple like you really.

Those Federal laws will be negotiated during the settlement talks, just as they were done with the AP. Future Federal laws will be made with the state representatives as well as the states themselves when it comes to making constitutional changes. Why don't you engage your brain to "common sense" for once, for God sake.?