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[Bananiot]

Well, it is quite obvious that partition is knocking on our doors and I find it hard to understand why you cannot see this on its own merit. I am going to make it really plain. In 1974 Turkey invaded Cyprus. Since then we are told by International Institutions (both UN and EU and others) that an agreed solution is necessary to be found on the basis of BBF and political equality of the TC's. We have agreed to this, because we understand that this is our only option. Thirty seven years have in the meantime elapsed since the invasion and time is a serious player in any conflict. Turkey is not worried one bit about the passage of time. Turkey knows that time is on her side. Turkey can wait for another 37 years. On the contrary, we are very conscious of the passage of time. All GC politicians admit to this.

We are thus faced with a huge ask. Wait for a nebulous, European solution which you described quite vividly or opt for a solution of the Annan Plan type which may not be ideal but it could break the stalemate and signal the return of the Turkish Army to Turkey? Kikapu, our cries for a European solution are not heeded by Europe. The events of the past have shaped the solution we can have. It always happens like this. Do you really believe that we can say to Europe "look we want a European solution but the other side will not take" and suddenly we would be home and dry? My God, if you really think that life is this simple then we should not really have this debate.

This is my idea of how to go about it. Christofias should go to the next meeting with Eroglu and say: Forget everything we have done so far. I propose the Annan Plan is brought back and here are my changes to it that could get a "yes" vote from the GC community. I remind you that he listed his changes after the referendum and further more he ascertained that with these changes he could consolidate the "yes" vote from the GC community. Such a move will really put Turkey under the spot and will test her sincerity. It will also move the international opinion firmly on our side.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well, it is quite obvious that partition is knocking on our doors and I find it hard to understand why you cannot see this on its own merit. I am going to make it really plain. In 1974 Turkey invaded Cyprus. Since then we are told by International Institutions (both UN and EU and others) that an agreed solution is necessary to be found on the basis of BBF and political equality of the TC's. We have agreed to this, because we understand that this is our only option. Thirty seven years have in the meantime elapsed since the invasion and time is a serious player in any conflict. Turkey is not worried one bit about the passage of time. Turkey knows that time is on her side. Turkey can wait for another 37 years. On the contrary, we are very conscious of the passage of time. All GC politicians admit to this.

We are thus faced with a huge ask. Wait for a nebulous, European solution which you described quite vividly or opt for a solution of the Annan Plan type which may not be ideal but it could break the stalemate and signal the return of the Turkish Army to Turkey? Kikapu, our cries for a European solution are not heeded by Europe. The events of the past have shaped the solution we can have. It always happens like this. Do you really believe that we can say to Europe "look we want a European solution but the other side will not take" and suddenly we would be home and dry? My God, if you really think that life is this simple then we should not really have this debate.

This is my idea of how to go about it. Christofias should go to the next meeting with Eroglu and say: Forget everything we have done so far. I propose the Annan Plan is brought back and here are my changes to it that could get a "yes" vote from the GC community. I remind you that he listed his changes after the referendum and further more he ascertained that with these changes he could consolidate the "yes" vote from the GC community. Such a move will really put Turkey under the spot and will test her sincerity. It will also move the international opinion firmly on our side.

So to get back to the topic "WE ARE INVITED" for this LOL.
No, thank you.

[Bananiot]

You are not being fair to yourself Pyrpolyser. This is what I told you in the first page:

This is just the first of a series of conferences. People with diverse views will be participating in those to follow.

I also told you that Papapetrou is intelligent enough to understand that the Annan Plan is dead and buried. The dead do notcome back, as you may know. Tactics, though, are important in negotiations, but you have a better method. Wish Turkey away. Close your eyes and think that it was just a bad dream. My God!

[Pyrpolizer]

You are not being fair to yourself Pyrpolyser. This is what I told you in the first page:

This is just the first of a series of conferences. People with diverse views will be participating in those to follow.

I also told you that Papapetrou is intelligent enough to understand that the Annan Plan is dead and buried. The dead do notcome back, as you may know. Tactics, though, are important in negotiations, but you have a better method. Wish Turkey away. Close your eyes and think that it was just a bad dream. My God!

You forgot the last part of your own sayings:"...dead and buried to be replaced by something worse.."
Bananiot, we will never sign anything that we will not agree. As for the Turks dreaming for partition, they will get nothing other than more troubles.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, our cries for a European solution are not heeded by Europe. The events of the past have shaped the solution we can have. It always happens like this. Do you really believe that we can say to Europe "look we want a European solution but the other side will not take" and suddenly we would be home and dry? My God, if you really think that life is this simple then we should not really have this debate.

Maybe, then again, maybe not, Bananiot, but as far as I can gather as to what this invite is all about, is to have a reunion class of 2004 with all the die hard Annan Plan loyalists, even though you say it is Dead & Buried!

I believe the respectful thing to do would be to let the AP rest in peace than giving false hope to the gullible with such an invite for it's resurrection, as in the "second coming" of the Annan plan!

[Bananiot]

Pre judging dear Kikapu, as I have already said, this is the first of a series of conferences with diverse-opinion speakers. Getting together and talking may not contribute much in your opinion to peace, but for the moment, I do not know of another way.

[Kikapu]

Pre judging dear Kikapu, as I have already said, this is the first of a series of conferences with diverse-opinion speakers. Getting together and talking may not contribute much in your opinion to peace, but for the moment, I do not know of another way.

But talking is what is going on now, Bananiot, and has been for the last 2+ years. Unless Taksim Dreams are extinguished by the "trnc" (Turkey), there never can be a peaceful settlement in Cyprus where the majority of ALL Cypriots would benefit, both GCs and TCs. Once we have tackled the Taksim Dream problem, then everything will just fall in place. I would encourage you and others attending to this invite, to do just that, which you will have my support.

[Viewpoint]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

[CBBB]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

He didn't say that Turks would prosper, just Tcs and GCs, so you being a Turk are out of luck.

[Kikapu]

How can you guarantee we will all prosper under GC rule?

BBF with True Federation will not be a GC rule, but a Federal Rule for ALL Cypriots. An agreed constitution by ALL Cypriots is where your guarantee will come from to be an equal citizen. It is the constitution that will make you an equal citizen with equal rights to prosper in any way and shape you may want and not by the permission of another individual.