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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:14 am

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Viewpoint wrote:Sorry typo 29%, this is what was agreed add to this a voting structure and guaranteed TC and GC % voting and we have a deal.

You think 4 years a long time in "Cypriot" terms you are very very mistaken it takes them years just to get the name plates right at the meetings, the UN will not throw a great deal of hard work down the drain any solution will be a revival of the AP with amendments to make the GCs happy in the hope they will say YES this last time around without losing the TC YES.


What, twice in the same post. I don't think so. :lol:

Who agreed to 29%.? Surely not the RoC.

They may just label it "Annan Plan" to look like one, just to fool the NeoPartitionist to vote YES again, but in reality, it won't be anything like the AP of 2004. Looks will be deceiving and the joke will be on them. :wink:


At what stage will you accept that you are a moron? when the talks cease or when the plan is the regurgitated AP?


You got more chance for the talks to fail, assuming Eroglu is willing to walk away, than a regurgitated 2004 AP passing with Christofias approval. In the end, it will be Turkey who will decide for the "trnc" what to do that will suit Turkey's best interests. All you are is just a "disposable commodity" to Turkey's greater future interests. Enjoy your self manufactured importance in these negotiations as much as you want, because it will not last very long time before you are pushed aside by your "roots". We'll see who is the moron then. :wink:
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:12 pm

Turkey has done nothing to date to let the TCs down in the international arena in fact you were one of the first people to say that Turkey had to open its ports and that she would choose the EU over TRNC, look what happened and the message she continues to give morons like yourself....`if forced to choose between the TRNC and EU she will always choose the TRNC`.

You really need to get a grip on your understanding of the TC viewpoint towards a solution they to have red lines that they will give so try to understand those and accommodate them accordingly otherwise forget a solution.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:52 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has done nothing to date to let the TCs down in the international arena in fact you were one of the first people to say that Turkey had to open its ports and that she would choose the EU over TRNC, look what happened and the message she continues to give morons like yourself....`if forced to choose between the TRNC and EU she will always choose the TRNC`.

You really need to get a grip on your understanding of the TC viewpoint towards a solution they to have red lines that they will give so try to understand those and accommodate them accordingly otherwise forget a solution.


A little correction for you. Turkey has never said she will choose the "trnc" over the EU. She said if push came to shove, she will choose Cyprus over the EU. The fact is she cannot have either one without an agreement from the RoC, and Turkey is in fact left in no-mans land and left with nothing but problems for herself. You didn't expect Turkey to come out and admit that, did you? Perhaps Turkey thinks the EU will trade Cyprus to Turkey for her non EU membership in the form of a pay off. Hardly, now that the Gas and Oil is about to come out of the ground on EU territory. Who knows what Turkey is thinking, but what ever it is, it is not happening, other than occupying northern part of Cyprus and ruling over the TCs lives by turning the north into an off-shore criminal infested illegal entity playground that she would never allow in her own country.

Has Turkey ever asked the International community for the "trnc" to be recognized.? I haven't heard it. Don't you think that is a major International let down for the "trnc"? The truth is, Turkey does not want what you want, which is a recognized north under a TC rule, which is why the stage is set for the settlers to take over the whole north in every way, including the political power since the RoC became a EU member in 2004. Turkey is just getting her "ducks in a row", so when the time comes for her to be serious with the EU membership, you will become expendable, because the settlers will do what Turkey will ask them to do, to help their motherland get into the EU, which means the TCs will be pushed aside to make room. If you think the Turks are going to lose the chance of being in the EU because for the sake of the "trnc", then you must live in a fantasy world. The fact that Turkey is not ready for the EU for the next 10-20 years, it does not mean she is choosing the "trnc" over the EU, even though she has never used the terms "trnc" over the EU. That's something you have conjured in your head, just because it gives you comfort to become arrogant so that you can tell us how tough the "trnc" is and to think you have any power against Turkey's wishes. When the time comes, Turkey will say jump, and you will say, "how high...... Sir".

The most important Red Lines you should ask for the TCs that can have secure future for them, is having a True Federation with Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles. Only these will allow the TCs to become equal citizens in Cyprus. Anything short of these, not only you will never get the "trnc" recognized, but you will also facilitate the destruction of the TC community that you claim you care about. The north will remain the crime infested illegal entity that it is, and the only ones that will reap the benefits, will be the Turks from Turkey. They will own the TCs, and when they want to trade the "trnc" for the EU, then it will be too late for the TCs. Just for the record, Turkey will never get Cyprus, not unless the GCs would agree to another AP type of a settlement plan, which then leaves the EU to be the only option left for Turkey to become an part of and to become a much desired EU player. In the meantime, the RoC goes about business as usual while the TCs are one a handout from Turkey. Some may say that Turkey is helping you, but others may say that Turkey is owning your asses. Time will tell.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:15 pm

Just like vp got stuck in thinking of the cp solution in terms of a unitary state, in the same way thinks that turkey will keep a fixed position over time as per denktashes dreams-no matter what.The occupied area currently serves her as a protectorate.It has nothing to do with the kibrislis themselves. On the other hand her illegal occupation really costs her, WITHOUT deliverying anything substantial to her. There are hundreds of UN resolutions against her, that can be used anytime to push her on the wall.There are the EU expectations and her EU road. There are the reforms in Turkey, and who knows what will happen internally in Turkey eventually. And there are the oil reserves that the ROC already assigned to an American colossus.
There is more chance in my opinion that Turkey will be ORDERED some time in the future to get out of Cyprus immediately, rather than her choosing "Kibris" no matter what.

I bet something dramatic is going to happen in Cyprus much much earlier that the date VP dreams of in 50-60 years that nobody will even care or remember the Turkish Invasion and Occupation and hence give then recognition.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:31 pm

i bet nothing will change 37 years proves me right and you wrong. You can collect all the UN resolutions you wish unless they are enforced they mean sweet FA.

You people seem to have some sort of phobia about us assimilating with Turkey....well this is natural as no solution is found we will well and truely become part of Turkey all but in name...you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot and this Turkey is in control is much preferred to anything you are offering, so your useless pants of you are disappearing are worthless as we in fact becoming part of a 70 million nation.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:i bet nothing will change 37 years proves me right and you wrong. You can collect all the UN resolutions you wish unless they are enforced they mean sweet FA.

You people seem to have some sort of phobia about us assimilating with Turkey....well this is natural as no solution is found we will well and truely become part of Turkey all but in name...you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot and this Turkey is in control is much preferred to anything you are offering, so your useless pants of you are disappearing are worthless as we in fact becoming part of a 70 million nation.


Will some kind soul please remind VP that some of the UN Res' are implemented fully and very effectively... esp the ones that relate to Recognition... oh and don't forget to remind him of how many CYs in the Occupied Areas have taken to the streets this year and are telling Turkey to .... GO ASIHKTIR.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:46 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:i bet nothing will change 37 years proves me right and you wrong. You can collect all the UN resolutions you wish unless they are enforced they mean sweet FA.

You people seem to have some sort of phobia about us assimilating with Turkey....well this is natural as no solution is found we will well and truely become part of Turkey all but in name...you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot and this Turkey is in control is much preferred to anything you are offering, so your useless pants of you are disappearing are worthless as we in fact becoming part of a 70 million nation.


Will some kind soul please remind VP that some of the UN Res' are implemented fully and very effectively... esp the ones that relate to Recognition... oh and don't forget to remind him of how many CYs in the Occupied Areas have taken to the streets this year and are telling Turkey to .... GO ASIHKTIR.


Can someone please tell Bill he hasnt got a clue about anything, we are talking about UN resolutions against Turkey which effects them to a degree that they want to surrender to the GCs....the only reason they take to the streets is because they want money for nothing and Turkey is telling them you have to work for it and tighten your belts.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:05 pm

Viewpoint wrote:i bet nothing will change 37 years proves me right and you wrong. You can collect all the UN resolutions you wish unless they are enforced they mean sweet FA.

You people seem to have some sort of phobia about us assimilating with Turkey....well this is natural as no solution is found we will well and truely become part of Turkey all but in name...you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot and this Turkey is in control is much preferred to anything you are offering, so your useless pants of you are disappearing are worthless as we in fact becoming part of a 70 million nation.


For 30 years you had Denktash that had the Kibrislis locked in an open prison. It's been 7 years now that we are having one radical change after another unless you are blind and can't see.Within the last 2 years we had the 4 changes that I mentioned above.The situation is ANYTHING but fixed.
As for you assimilating or becoming part of Turkey, this actually should worry the REAL Kibrislis, who know that in reality they are been replaced by settlers rather than staying and becoming part of a 70 million nation LOL.The only worry for the Kypreos is that without Kibrislis the Cyprus problem becomes a new problem, in fact it becomes purely a problem of invasion and colonization. In my opinion such a problem would be easier to handle, in fact there are Kypreos who can't wait for the day that the Kibrisli leader will be a settler, as well as most pseudo MPs. Will that be more than 20 years away? In such a case Turkey and the few local puppets will have to kiss goodbye the BBF and the only thing left to discuss would be how Turkey AND HER SETTLERS leave the place.

Needless to say that after starting getting oil out, the only solution the Kypreos would even care consider would be for Turkey to abandon the place and just leave us a few thousands trashy settlers under a minority status as the maximum BELA we could accept to have the case closed. :wink:
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby ZoC » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:11 pm

Viewpoint wrote:you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot


don't talk shit. no cypriot would say that.
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Re: YOU ARE INVITED

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:13 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:i bet nothing will change 37 years proves me right and you wrong. You can collect all the UN resolutions you wish unless they are enforced they mean sweet FA.

You people seem to have some sort of phobia about us assimilating with Turkey....well this is natural as no solution is found we will well and truely become part of Turkey all but in name...you must never forget we are just as much Turkish as we are Cypriot and this Turkey is in control is much preferred to anything you are offering, so your useless pants of you are disappearing are worthless as we in fact becoming part of a 70 million nation.


For 30 years you had Denktash that had the Kibrislis locked in an open prison. It's been 7 years now that we are having one radical change after another unless you are blind and can't see.Within the last 2 years we had the 4 changes that I mentioned above.The situation is ANYTHING but fixed.
As for you assimilating or becoming part of Turkey, this actually should worry the REAL Kibrislis, who know that in reality they are been replaced by settlers rather than staying and becoming part of a 70 million nation LOL.The only worry for the Kypreos is that without Kibrislis the Cyprus problem becomes a new problem, in fact it becomes purely a problem of invasion and colonization. In my opinion such a problem would be easier to handle, in fact there are Kypreos who can't wait for the day that the Kibrisli leader will be a settler, as well as most pseudo MPs. Will that be more than 20 years away? In such a case Turkey and the few local puppets will have to kiss goodbye the BBF and the only thing left to discuss would be how Turkey AND HER SETTLERS leave the place.

Needless to say that after starting getting oil out, the only solution the Kypreos would even care consider would be for Turkey to abandon the place and just leave us a few thousands trashy settlers under a minority status as the maximum BELA we could accept to have the case closed. :wink:


Do you want to bet that in your life time nothing will change the division will remain and both sides will still be doing their own thing.......being seen to be looking for a solution but its all become irrelevant.

You should be more worried about the Turks than us as you are the ones who loath and hate them.....they will be your neighbors and you will never get any of the north back not one inch....about times you got what you can before it to late to get anything at all.
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