Insan wrote: Long live re brother MicAtCyp!
Thats because I learned many things from you kardesim.
Insan wrote: Time to time you refer from a "real federation"... What is the basic principles of this "real federation" in compare with the one proposed by Annan Plan?
To make it short a REAL federation is the one in which the laws and the power of the Central state is ABOVE those of the constituent states, and in which the Central state has the means to apply its superior law. For example in the USA when the Federal Police gets in, the State Police moves to the side. And they fear the hell when the Feds ( or the FBI) show around. A STRONG real Federation is the one in which the Central State has direct responsibility on MOST (most -- > make it strong) aspects of running the Country whereas the Constituent States have responsibility on much less. In such STRONG REAL Federation the Constituent states are something like an upgraded type of big Municipalities. A weak real Federation is the opposite.
The Αnan Plan was not a REAL Federation because the Central State would only deal with some specific issues of running the Country and it had NO RIGHT AND NO MEANS to enforce its own limited law upon any of the constituent states. The Anan Plan stated clearly more than 10 times that there is no hierachy (or supremacy) of any of the laws of any of the 3 states (2 constituent + one central) upon the others. Even on matters of EU concern for which the Central State of the Anan Plan was responsible to enforce, it had no means to do so, in case any of the constituent states would refuse.In summary the system was not a REAL Federation. It was a Confederation**. More over the central State was weak. So we would have a WEAK CONFEDERATION.
Insan wrote: Can you please elaborate it in frame of human rights, communal rights of two communities; representation and sharing the state power, security of two communities, structure of constituent states, economic structure of the state, seperate majority votes, etc
It is very difficult for me to explain in detail how the system of the Anan Plan would affect all these because there are so many other provisions in the plan other than the its basic Non Federative structure. To make it short again what the plan implies is a massive violation of basic human rights on properties, on settlement and work, and on excercise of political rights (voting and be elected).The most serious of course are the first 2. Communal rights: It upgrades the communal rights to separate state rights (not to federal rights). This means rights on everything not rights that would distinguish and safeguard the TCs to community.The economy would also be separate and competitive between the 2 Const. States (2 Central Banks) would never unify, the living Standard of the TCs would never equalise, and basically the people would never join together. It would always be You and Them.Never Us.
When I say real Federation I imagine that of the USA. The Swiss and the Belgian models are hybrids, and beleive me if those countries where not crossroads in the center of Europe they would disintegrate a long time ago.As you know those countries can survive even just from the fact that all European highways and transports of goods pass through them.They are central KNOTS! Belgium in particular was about to collapse countless of times in the past, what saved it the last minute was the EU...Cyprus however is not a crossroad in Europe....
The most indicative of the 3 totally separate states of the Anan Plan is the matter of the flag and the National anthem.The Anan Plan said the central state would have its own flag and its own national Anthem.However the other 2 Constituent states would have their own flags and their own National anthems! Anastasiades of Desy proposed that the GC CS would have the Greek flag and the Greek National Anthem. I am absolutely certain the TC CS would have the Turkish ones.Now considering that the Central State would just employ a fixed number of employees (3,500 GCs and 1,500 TCs=5000) compared to 40,000+ of the GC state alone, ask yourself where the hell would you ever see and respect the flag and the national anthem of United Cyprus? Although I understand that even in the US the states have their own flags, I would say that in Cyprus we need something more than that to force us unite. So not only we should have a REAL and a STRONG federation but also NO OTHER FLAG and NO OTHER ANTHEM than that of the Central State.So my sugestion is that the Contituent states SHOULD NOT have their own separate symbols....
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** Some scholars say it was not even a confederation, because the few confederations ever in history were formed to have a joined military force against external enemies.So they claim in this respect the 2 constituent states were military protectorates of Greece and Turkey. The British Bases as upgraded by Mr Anan to have ALSO sea shell rights (!!!!) would be protectorates of the Anglo Americans.
Bananiot wrote: Does Piratis, or anyone else, really believes that we can designate the minority label to the TC's and incorporate them, with full democratic and human rights into the RoC?
I think I stated many times that the best solution is a Unitary State and that is is quite possible for the TCs to have full democratic (Political rights) and human rights into a new United Cyprus. What is impossible to have is less than full rights in such a system inside the EU... Whether that can currently apply I admit NOT. But I cannot quarantee it will never be. It depends how our EU road and the road of Turkey in the EU will evolve and whether in the meantime we would agree on something else or not
Insan wrote: What's the difference of Annan Plan:
It calls for one of the constituent units to be almost entirely GC and the other to be almost equally mixed of TCs and GCs. However, GCs also demand for an unlimited right of return to the TC areas of the federation.
So how will we be able to keep stable the balance of the powers in TC constituent state and consequently in the federal state as a whole? Any opinions?
Via a Unitary State! But the people (GCs and TCS) are so naive that can’t understand that to have a Bizonal REAL Federation we must also have discounts on human rights....