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[Viewpoint]

Let's not allow VP to derail the thread with the usual lazy and unhelpful and rubbish one-liners boys and girls.

Yes, deliberately stayed away from matters of Governance, which will leave to to the CF experts Kiks and RW; and away from Territory which will leave to the likes of the late Kifeas. Both matters that are open to negotiation.

Guess what am trying to find is the dividing line between Entitlement and Negotiation in that it isn't a matter of what people want, but what they are entitled to, in three of the ECHR articles. Also pertinent are such things as collective rights, even though these aren't as well defined as individual human rights, or on to the rights of citizens of sovereign nations for self-determination, on to the sovereignty of nations, for effective says in government etc.

All the above, like human rights, are matters of undeniable and uncompromisable entitlement, ones that ain't open to negotiation.

Also saying that if the international community places such stress on a BBF, it must do so in ways that respects the human rights legislation that each and every member state of the UN has ratified at national level. The Great Powers can't have their cake and eat it as well, so to speak.

When did Kifeas pass away?

[kurupetos]

There's a mistake in this topic.

[Hermes]

I think the Turks missed their chance in 2004. The Turks know this which is why they have abandoned the idea of a BBF. They talk now about a confederation as this is the only way they can get a legalised partition.

Up to 2004, the Turks interpreted a BBF in terms outlined in the Annan Plan - as a dismemberment of the island on Turkish terms. Since 2004, Cyprus's EU membership and its adoption of the EU acquis have effectively swung a solution back in terms of a federal solution with free movement etc. - effectively making an Annan-type BBF unworkable.

G/Cs have merely to be patient and play the long game. Insist on a European solution, keep up the pressure on Turkey's EU accession and wait for the gas revenues to change the strategic dynamics of the island.

[bill cobbett]

I think the Turks missed their chance in 2004. The Turks know this which is why they have abandoned the idea of a BBF. They talk now about a confederation as this is the only way they can get a legalised partition.

Up to 2004, the Turks interpreted a BBF in terms outlined in the Annan Plan - as a dismemberment of the island on Turkish terms. Since 2004, Cyprus's EU membership and its adoption of the EU acquis have effectively swung a solution back in terms of a federal solution with free movement etc. - effectively making an Annan-type BBF unworkable.

G/Cs have merely to be patient and play the long game. Insist on a European solution, keep up the pressure on Turkey's EU accession and wait for the gas revenues to change the strategic dynamics of the island.

Yes, absolutely, a rights-based, EU based, call it what we will settlement contributes a good deal of guarantee against a Partitionist BBF and It ticks a lot of the other right boxes to boot, but not all.

(Reh VP... ref to the late Kifeas was a ref to haven't seen him posting for ages, nothing more)

[repulsewarrior]

...it is not how to divide; it is how to sustain.

again, in a sense that serves a Human purpose, this defining the word bicommunal, we are not "Greeks" vs. "Turks", we are among others like the Maronites and the Armenians, Greeks, and Turks; each in a struggle to sustain a Personal Identity. We are Individuals with Basic Human Rights like, Free Movement, Free Association, Equal Right to Property, Freedom of Expression, and the Sanctity of a Home. no Agreement in this Age can resist the changes toward these Principals. and we as Cypriots have this obligation to the rest of Mankind, with Grace demonstrating the will to accept their gift and ending all the forms of subjugation we suffer because our choice has been divided to dismiss the value we have as this island's dwellers.

i imagine one country, one State, and a single governing body which defends us without discrimination, where we stand united regardless our creed, or our colour. but more, there exists National Assemblies so that the distinctions we have can be nurtured, and within Territorial Jurisdictions enjoyed in a manner where the Majority represents their agenda respectfully recognising their need to provide for the special needs of the Minorities that live amongst them. indeed, Bizonal like Bicommunal does not mean tearing the island in two. it means One, and in that one many; it (they) cannot mean two.

Bicommunal remains undefined, it will mean what we want it to mean. broadly, for our definition to work, it must be held in such esteem that it is emulated.

...read, (reread) my manifesto.