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[Pyrpolizer]

Deniz thank you for your post.
Whilst I agree with your propositions and for sharing a pre 1960's Cyprus perspective which I am not preview too because I was not on the planet.

I believe the sooner we got rif of the divide that is so prominent in both communities and that is the intrasingent attitude to move beyond separation and move toward unity and that is the identification as either greek or turkish then we will not see a viable long lasting solution.

We need to scrap greek and turkish and become Cypriot that is the only way forward for future generations.

Let's face it humanist neither the majority of Kypreos nor the majority of the Kibrislis are upto those standards at the moment. Nor they will be until long years have passed under a common umbrella. A federal system will be that umbrella, and the rest will come with time.

[kurupetos]

The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...

How do you define it?
And more importantly why do we need majorities/minorities?

the majority/minority are relative terms. For example in a population of 30% A, 30% B and 40% C , C could be the majority, but it could also be the minority if A&B join forces. In our recent elections a 48% "minority" lost the seat for the President of parliament.

The majority/minority issue only has effect when there are opposing interests.The federal system wipes off completely the issue of majority/minority on matters of opposing interests. Federal+EU makes it total nonsense.
We will all be small pawns in the EU and do whatever the Commission decides.

Me as a Kypreos don't mind if the Kibrislis want political equality if that would make them happy.
As Socrates has said :"Eason aftous hairein"-Let them be happy.

That's correct about the majority/minority definition, but in the case of Cyprus there are only two ethnic groups: TCs are 18% & GCs are 82%. Therefore there's no ambiguity issue.

What I meant in the previous post is why do we need majority/minority definitions if we seek a just unitary solution, or EU solution as you say? In such case a TC or GC status will have no real significance since the constitution will only define one type of Cypriot citizen.

[denizaksulu]

The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...

How do you define it?
And more importantly why do we need majorities/minorities?

the majority/minority are relative terms. For example in a population of 30% A, 30% B and 40% C , C could be the majority, but it could also be the minority if A&B join forces. In our recent elections a 48% "minority" lost the seat for the President of parliament.

The majority/minority issue only has effect when there are opposing interests.The federal system wipes off completely the issue of majority/minority on matters of opposing interests. Federal+EU makes it total nonsense.
We will all be small pawns in the EU and do whatever the Commission decides.

Me as a Kypreos don't mind if the Kibrislis want political equality if that would make them happy.
As Socrates has said :"Eason aftous hairein"-Let them be happy.

That's correct about the majority/minority definition, but in the case of Cyprus there are only two ethnic groups: TCs are 18% & GCs are 82%. Therefore there's no ambiguity issue.

What I meant in the previous post is why do we need majority/minority definitions if we seek a just unitary solution, or EU solution as you say? In such case a TC or GC status will have no real significance since the constitution will only define one type of Cypriot citizen.

Incredible.....what a gem. No, seriously

[bill cobbett]

The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...

How do you define it?
And more importantly why do we need majorities/minorities?

the majority/minority are relative terms. For example in a population of 30% A, 30% B and 40% C , C could be the majority, but it could also be the minority if A&B join forces. In our recent elections a 48% "minority" lost the seat for the President of parliament.

The majority/minority issue only has effect when there are opposing interests.The federal system wipes off completely the issue of majority/minority on matters of opposing interests. Federal+EU makes it total nonsense.
We will all be small pawns in the EU and do whatever the Commission decides.

Me as a Kypreos don't mind if the Kibrislis want political equality if that would make them happy.
As Socrates has said :"Eason aftous hairein"-Let them be happy.

That's correct about the majority/minority definition, but in the case of Cyprus there are only two ethnic groups: TCs are 18% & GCs are 82%. Therefore there's no ambiguity issue.

What I meant in the previous post is why do we need majority/minority definitions if we seek a just unitary solution, or EU solution as you say? In such case a TC or GC status will have no real significance since the constitution will only define one type of Cypriot citizen.

Incredible.....what a gem. No, seriously

Have to agree, it's absolutely brilliant. Simple but brilliant.

[DT.]

In a land of such archaic political beliefs, I can't believe that you people are still thinking in terms of tcs voting against gcs and how to balance the vote. I want you all to open your minds and think "in a possible solution do you really see the tc lefties voting in line with the right? Can you ever imagine AKEL voting for a DISY president when a left tc candidate is up for election?

The party system will kick into action and just like it herds together all th right wing sheep in one end and all the left wing sheep the other now, it will perform on exactly the same way in a solution.

In fact KypriNou of AKEL has already made it clear. Faced with a left tc and a right gc, AKEL would always vote for the tc.

[repulsewarrior]

,,,in my Cyprus everyone would vote once and from three separate slates for a bicameral government at the Federal level; each would vote for their Kibrisli representative, their Kypreo representative, and an Independent for sober second thinking in the second House.

...if a President (of any ethnicity) wins a Majority in an Upper House that has an equal number of Turcophone and Grecophone seats, with this system of voting, that person has the credibility to lead. and if the Lower House does it's job, this Government can only remain transparent.

you know the drill, please read...

[Bananiot]

Enough cloud climbing boys, now come back to earth, please.

[DT.]

Enough cloud climbing boys, now come back to earth, please.

Who's talking to you?

[Bananiot]

There is no need to respond to every single post of mine, DT. Is it some form of neurosis, I wonder?

[humanist]

Pyrpolizer, Thank you for that, you are right. I guess we realise that, but for the sake of conversation we got to put forward a point for discussion