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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:55 pm

The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby kurupetos » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:06 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...


How do you define it? :?
And more importantly why do we need majorities/minorities?
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby kurupetos » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:08 pm

quattro wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I am all for an angelic world too, don't get me wrong. There is this small thing though: Politics is the art of the feasible and in an ideal world there would be no politics and thus no need to resort to the feasible. Quattro, I respect what you say but in the meantime the north is turkified at frighteningly fast rates. Thus, talking abstract will not save Cyprus and the Cypriots.

And so this is our problem and not the tcs that allowed them to do so where were they for 37 years seeing what was turkey about and after 37 years is our fault or they were so abstract by the shine on the new state. I am not talking abstract Bananiot I am too focus more than i was ever before . I am not a politician or so good in english language to work out a plan i speak from my heard and only that.

No worries mate! Christofias is worse and he's the president. :evil:
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby humanist » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:09 pm

halil, name one Federal Country that has a BBF in the way you want it. A democracy that does not allow original owners to their properties a democracy that says you have a greek speaking background and therefore you cannot live in Kyrenia?

By the way I disagree with anyone that says there is no Cypriots. We are here and we will make stance against any partition. greek enosis or turkish taksim. Choose an argument and stick with it. You contradict yourself in your previous post.


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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby humanist » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:14 pm

Bananiot and who is blame for the Turkification of the North? None others than TC's because the vote in the duds who are pro Turkish and Anti Cypriot. Your mate is one of them. I believe that blaming the President of Cyprus who is fighting fro Freedom of his nation is absurd.

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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby quattro » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:21 pm

kurupetos wrote:
quattro wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I am all for an angelic world too, don't get me wrong. There is this small thing though: Politics is the art of the feasible and in an ideal world there would be no politics and thus no need to resort to the feasible. Quattro, I respect what you say but in the meantime the north is turkified at frighteningly fast rates. Thus, talking abstract will not save Cyprus and the Cypriots.

And so this is our problem and not the tcs that allowed them to do so where were they for 37 years seeing what was turkey about and after 37 years is our fault or they were so abstract by the shine on the new state. I am not talking abstract Bananiot I am too focus more than i was ever before . I am not a politician or so good in english language to work out a plan i speak from my heard and only that.

No worries mate! Christofias is worse and he's the president. :evil:

So what are you saying i might be one one day :? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:22 pm

humanist wrote:halil, name one Federal Country that has a BBF in the way you want it. A democracy that does not allow original owners to their properties a democracy that says you have a greek speaking background and therefore you cannot live in Kyrenia?

By the way I disagree with anyone that says there is no Cypriots. We are here and we will make stance against any partition. greek enosis or turkish taksim. Choose an argument and stick with it. You contradict yourself in your previous post.


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In the event of a future re-unification, I cant really see any problem with this so called issues of 'minorities' or majorities. In a properly homogenous society where their are no so called 'greek sectors' 'Turkish sectors' etc, you have no municipaity problems of the 1960's. This makes life easier. Just like village life. Only in a few villages were there TC or GC quarters. There were no problems until 1955 when this fanatical nationalism and separatism came about. Mabe its a simplistic view, but......
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby humanist » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:51 pm

Deniz thank you for your post.
Whilst I agree with your propositions and for sharing a pre 1960's Cyprus perspective which I am not preview too because I was not on the planet.

I believe the sooner we got rif of the divide that is so prominent in both communities and that is the intrasingent attitude to move beyond separation and move toward unity and that is the identification as either greek or turkish then we will not see a viable long lasting solution.

We need to scrap greek and turkish and become Cypriot that is the only way forward for future generations.
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby kurupetos » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:58 pm

quattro wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
quattro wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I am all for an angelic world too, don't get me wrong. There is this small thing though: Politics is the art of the feasible and in an ideal world there would be no politics and thus no need to resort to the feasible. Quattro, I respect what you say but in the meantime the north is turkified at frighteningly fast rates. Thus, talking abstract will not save Cyprus and the Cypriots.

And so this is our problem and not the tcs that allowed them to do so where were they for 37 years seeing what was turkey about and after 37 years is our fault or they were so abstract by the shine on the new state. I am not talking abstract Bananiot I am too focus more than i was ever before . I am not a politician or so good in english language to work out a plan i speak from my heard and only that.

No worries mate! Christofias is worse and he's the president. :evil:

So what are you saying i might be one one day :? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

One day in the vague future... :lol:
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Re: PR EROGLU: AN ARDOUS BARGAINING PROCESS LIES AHEAD

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:04 am

kurupetos wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The United Nations HAS NEVER defined the meaning of minority. Nobody knows for example if it is for 1%, 5%, 20%, 30% or 49%...


How do you define it? :?
And more importantly why do we need majorities/minorities?


the majority/minority are relative terms. For example in a population of 30% A, 30% B and 40% C , C could be the majority, but it could also be the minority if A&B join forces. In our recent elections a 48% "minority" lost the seat for the President of parliament.

The majority/minority issue only has effect when there are opposing interests.The federal system wipes off completely the issue of majority/minority on matters of opposing interests. Federal+EU makes it total nonsense.
We will all be small pawns in the EU and do whatever the Commission decides.

Me as a Kypreos don't mind if the Kibrislis want political equality if that would make them happy.
As Socrates has said :"Eason aftous hairein"-Let them be happy.
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