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[repulsewarrior]

Greeks can form a National Assembly not unlike like the Cypriots who are Turcophone (i hope Maronites and Armenians will have a territorial Jurisdiction too where as a Majority, they can represent an identity as a Person which respects and recognizes the special needs of the Minorities that live amongst them,).

We all believe in the Unity of Cyprus, that we are a People because we are the dwellers of an island older and far more of a Heritance than our own respective contributions. One State; one Government. Being Bicommunal, we can represent this belief if within this State we demonstrate the willingness to identify and sustain this diversity through another level of governance.

...indeed, my hope is that the Grecophone society would say the same things as the Ki through their own political representation, apart from the Cypriot identity which all of us can build together in a Government where our equality is defended without distinction.

...three governing bodies (at least) are needed.

[Pyrpolizer]

So we have the people the Kibrislis who are already EU citizens. We have the territory which is already an EU territory. What is missing from the occupied to be a complete EU, is a) EU law and B) EU law enforcement.
It’s not enough for the EU to just appoint her own officials to issue sanitary certificates for the Kibrislis’ agricultural products. It’s about time the EU

a) appoints officials for normalizing the law at the occupied to the EU Aquis over time.There could be derogations at the beginning. Certainly no derogations applicable to a new state but derogations aiming at some stage to be completely lifted until the occupied becomes fully in line with the Aquis
b) Set her own officials to control the police for the enforcement of that law.

Durduran's idea is brilliant, although in my mind it's not really "recognition" in the classic sense. Politicians could of course pass it over to the people as recognition, but in reality it will just be recognition and acceptance of the people, and most of the administrating structure, but not the administrative law and law enforcement mechanism. All it needs is just a few simple steps and some responsibility from the EU.

The big question is how Turkey will react if the EU is determined to make such a move.
Would Turkey dare to oppose? And how about the EU calling for a referendum among the REAL Kibrislis on whether they accept their plan or not?

[Pyrpolizer]

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[Jerry]

It may or may not be a good plan but to say "Turkey, in that scenario, would be cornered immediately. Their ARMY would have to leave Immediately otherwise face the ECHR, the Settlers would have to leave the island almost immediately if they could not prove their original 1960 citizenship connection to the island" is a little naive. Who is going to make Turkey and the settlers move, the ECHR army?

Turkey does what it bloody well likes in Cyprus, only military force or the real threat of bankrupcy could make it leave.

[Sotos]

Sorry Kibrisli Turk, but this must be the most naive argument ever! If TCs want a solution they should stop being the muppets of Turkey and come to an agreement with GCs. Everything else is nonsense.

[Viewpoint]

Sorry Kibrisli Turk, but this must be the most naive argument ever! If TCs want a solution they should stop being the muppets of Turkey and come to an agreement with GCs. Everything else is nonsense.

Lets hear how?

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't think we should accuse "Kibrisli Turk" for anything, all he did was just inform us of Durdurans idea.

I repeat that in my own opinion the VERY IDEA is brilliant. However it's implementation as described by Durduran is indeed rather naive. I would second Jerry's comments that the settlers will not move out immediately and neither the Turkish Army of course. In my thinking of how to implement the idea (see a & b in previous post) I deliberately did not mention the Turkish Army. The Turkish army HAS to stay for stability/security reasons and be removed gradually until full implementation of the Aquis. However it's authority must be limited within the military camps, all those huge military areas should be abandoned immediately, and all other of it's functions like controlling the police, having a say even on crossings should be removed. The EU must make it clear that the Turkish Army will be there only to handle situations of emergency, NOTHING ELSE, and only in case the law enforcement body (the Police i.e) would not be able to control the situation. Such a case could happen if the Kypreos having learned that the EU took over, would go over en masse to the northern part and started demanding their properties here and now...

In short the EU should take over the occupied and be given enough time to bring it up to the Aquis.

[humanist]

Jerry

Turkey does what it bloody well likes in Cyprus, only military force or the real threat of bankrupcy could make it leave.

That is correct. But can we please have the economic embargo option imposed? And the only place that can be doe is the UN as well as the EU of course by not investing in Turkey.