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[Svetlana]

If you want to discuss 'wall sockets' please do so; if you want to discuss each other go elsewhere please.

[Sotos]

Sorry Lana but it seems that some people took a personal offense because I proposed that it would be better for Cyprus to gradually change the system inherited from colonial rule and they responded with personal attacks against me.

So back to the topic ... If you think that it is not a problem that in the shops most devices sold come with 2-pin plugs and you don't mind using adapters or changing the plug every time, then good for you. If you think that this is a problem but that the solution is for Cyprus government to force the importers to import devices with 3-pin plugs then you should realize that this will force the prices of those devices up. If the importers could import devices with 3-pin plugs for the same price as they do for the 2-pin plugs then there is no reason why they would import the devices with 2-pin plugs to Cyprus. What I believe is the best solution is for Cyprus to gradually change the system to make it compatible with what they use in most Europe and many other parts of the world. New houses can be build with the new system while old houses will just continue using the old system just as they do now. There is really nothing more to add to this topic and I hope some people will not try to turn it personal again ... but if they do then they will get the appropriate response

[CBBB]

Well done Lana, a bit of Russian 'discipline' was exactly what Sotos needed!

[Svetlana]

Soon it may be time for the Whip - and I do not mean the '3 Line' one!

[CBBB]

Soon it may be time for the Whip - and I do not mean the '3 Line' one!

Where do I sign up?

[larnacaman]

So back to the topic ... If you think that it is not a problem that in the shops most devices sold come with 2-pin plugs and you don't mind using adapters or changing the plug every time, (it is a problem, no-one here has said otherwise, but it's a problem that shouldn't exist) then good for you. If you think that this is a problem but that the solution is for Cyprus government to force the importers to import devices with 3-pin plugs (So who else's problem is it to solve?? I'll say this once again, there is an existing statutory EU regulation, that is in place and enforced by all the major European Countries, ...And guess what, ...no non-standard appliance problems and the answer to all your problems !!!) then you should realize that this will force the prices of those devices up. (Totally 110% WRONG!!) If the importers could import devices with 3-pin plugs for the same price as they do for the 2-pin plugs (That's the point, they CAN and DO!!) then there is no reason why they would import the devices with 2-pin plugs to Cyprus. (There is, .... it's called fleecing customers by buying GREY goods at a knock down price and charging the appliance full price) What I believe is the best solution is for Cyprus to gradually change the system to make it compatible with what they use in most Europe and many other parts of the world. (At a cost of 100's of millions and at the end of the day, ...for no real gain to anyone!!!) New houses can be build with the new system while old houses will just continue using the old system just as they do now. (Sounds very simple, alas Unfortunately, ....it just doesn't work that way, ...AND it would be almost impossible to implement) There is really nothing more to add to this topic (There was nothing more to add pages ago, but your not the type to listen to sound argument are you) and I hope some people will not try to turn it personal again ... but if they do then they will get the appropriate response

I have been a Chartered Electrical Engineer for 30+ years, a Registered Engineer in Cyprus for 9 years, working mostly overseas with most of the internationally recognised electrical standards. So i think i'm qualified enough to tell you, like it or not, ...That you are Wrong in everything you have posted/stated in this thread. That's not trying to be Nasty, that is based on Engineering facts, and plain hard Real World ''Truths!!!!''....

[supporttheunderdog]

The strange thing is that in Britain it might actually be legal to use the continental system of plugs as there is a general importation of EEA standards in to the British Wiring Regulations.

However IMHO the fact that a system may have been introduced by previous rulers does not invalidate it particularly if (except for cost) the specific features of Plug and socet design offer a number additioanl safety advantages, including the flaps protecting the live a nuetral socket holes against the insertion of things like knitting needles by snmall Children, the individual fusing of each item, positve location of the live and nuetral, etc.

With the contental system I have found problems with distortion of the side contact earthing strips preventing proper insertion of the Plug.

[Sotos]

So back to the topic ... If you think that it is not a problem that in the shops most devices sold come with 2-pin plugs and you don't mind using adapters or changing the plug every time, (it is a problem, no-one here has said otherwise, but it's a problem that shouldn't exist) then good for you. If you think that this is a problem but that the solution is for Cyprus government to force the importers to import devices with 3-pin plugs (So who else's problem is it to solve?? I'll say this once again, there is an existing statutory EU regulation, that is in place and enforced by all the major European Countries, ...And guess what, ...no non-standard appliance problems and the answer to all your problems !!!) then you should realize that this will force the prices of those devices up. (Totally 110% WRONG!!) If the importers could import devices with 3-pin plugs for the same price as they do for the 2-pin plugs (That's the point, they CAN and DO!!) then there is no reason why they would import the devices with 2-pin plugs to Cyprus. (There is, .... it's called fleecing customers by buying GREY goods at a knock down price and charging the appliance full price) What I believe is the best solution is for Cyprus to gradually change the system to make it compatible with what they use in most Europe and many other parts of the world. (At a cost of 100's of millions and at the end of the day, ...for no real gain to anyone!!!) New houses can be build with the new system while old houses will just continue using the old system just as they do now. (Sounds very simple, alas Unfortunately, ....it just doesn't work that way, ...AND it would be almost impossible to implement) There is really nothing more to add to this topic (There was nothing more to add pages ago, but your not the type to listen to sound argument are you) and I hope some people will not try to turn it personal again ... but if they do then they will get the appropriate response

I have been a Chartered Electrical Engineer for 30+ years, a Registered Engineer in Cyprus for 9 years, working mostly overseas with most of the internationally recognised electrical standards. So i think i'm qualified enough to tell you, like it or not, ...That you are Wrong in everything you have posted/stated in this thread. That's not trying to be Nasty, that is based on Engineering facts, and plain hard Real World ''Truths!!!!''....

Most of what I wrote are basic facts (e.g. that most devices sold in Cyprus come with 2 pin plugs) and issues which are related with Politics and Economics, none of which you are qualified to talk about and yet you pretend to be an expert in everything. Lets start with the economics: The aim of every business is to maximize its profits and in Cyprus we have a free market so a business is free to set the prices on the products they sell. You can call it "fleecing customers" but this will happen regardless of what plug the device has. If the importer is forced to buy a device at a more expensive price then it is certain that this extra cost will be passed to the consumer! Economics is obviously not your forte so stop making a fool of yourself by arguing against basic principles Now lets talk about the part of the topic where you are supposedly an expert. If you are an Electrical Engineering expert I would expect from you to explain to us why gradually changing the system would cost millions and it would be almost impossible. From the website CBBB posted earlier I can see that there are many countries which use several different kind of sockets. For example both Gibraltar and Isle of Man use both C and G type of sockets and according to the same website in the occupied part of Cyprus they use both G and F type of sockets. So stop the personal attacks and pretending to be an expert in economics and make yourself useful by explaining why it is impossible to have what they apparently have in Gibraltar or Isle of Man. When you do this then I will thank you for offering a positive contribution in my topic... because so far you offered nothing at all

[SSBubbles]

3 pinned plugs rule. End of discussion

[CBBB]

3 pinned plugs rule. End of discussion

As you are blond, you have made me doubt my views!