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Postby ZoC » Mon May 30, 2011 1:53 pm

halil wrote:you are again forgetting TC's factor ............... :!:

they also takes notices from TC's side too............


no one's forgetting the tc factor. u'll be offered one of these...

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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 30, 2011 2:43 pm

ZoC wrote:
halil wrote:you are again forgetting TC's factor ............... :!:

they also takes notices from TC's side too............


no one's forgetting the tc factor. u'll be offered one of these...

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:shock: I may have some TC blood in me… where can I apply for the burger? Image
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Postby ZoC » Mon May 30, 2011 3:03 pm

oh shit, sorry, gr... halil! HALIL! would u mind saving some for...

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:? whoops... too late.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 30, 2011 3:09 pm

At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!
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Postby quattro » Mon May 30, 2011 3:30 pm

Kikapu wrote:At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!


Kiks if the brits pull out and the turks want to push in IMHO this is a reason for another war......and halil might licking his wounds later.......
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Postby Paphitis » Mon May 30, 2011 3:36 pm

Kikapu wrote:At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!


If the Brits were to pull out, I doubt they will be leaving anything to chance. They will probably declare a handover date, where a ceremony will even be held where their colors will be taken down and the RoC Flag will be raised, in the spirit of Military tradition and all the fanfare that goes with it similar to what we saw in Hong Kong. They will probably even allow entry to the CNG so that they can take their posts upon handover. The Brits might even leave some troops behind for a while, as a deterrent to Turkey and to ensure a smooth transition without any shenanigans!

The British commander will then hand over control to the RoC.

They will never allow Dhekelia to become a major hot spot, or accept any Turkish antics, because this will result in much embarrassment as Britain will once again leave another very sorry legacy behind.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 30, 2011 3:51 pm

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Kikapu wrote:At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!


If the Brits were to pull out, I doubt they will be leaving anything to chance. They will probably declare a handover date, where a ceremony will even be held where their colors will be taken down and the RoC Flag will be raised, in the spirit of Military tradition and all the fanfare that goes with it similar to what we saw in Hong Kong. They will probably even allow entry to the CNG so that they can take their posts upon handover. The Brits might even leave some troops behind for a while, as a deterrent to Turkey and to ensure a smooth transition without any shenanigans!

The British commander will then hand over control to the RoC.

They will never allow Dhekelia to become a major hot spot, or accept any Turkish antics, because this will result in much embarrassment as Britain will once again leave another very sorry legacy behind.


It's an unnecessary risk for the Brits to leave the Dhekelia Base before a settlement is reached. The Brits allowed Turkey into Cyprus in 1974 when they were in a better position to restore order after the coup as a guarantor power. They did not.

As for Hong Kong, you cannot compare the two. The British were "forced" to vacate HK and no one else was going to muscle it away from China.! Same fate awaits Taiwan in the future.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon May 30, 2011 4:01 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!


If the Brits were to pull out, I doubt they will be leaving anything to chance. They will probably declare a handover date, where a ceremony will even be held where their colors will be taken down and the RoC Flag will be raised, in the spirit of Military tradition and all the fanfare that goes with it similar to what we saw in Hong Kong. They will probably even allow entry to the CNG so that they can take their posts upon handover. The Brits might even leave some troops behind for a while, as a deterrent to Turkey and to ensure a smooth transition without any shenanigans!

The British commander will then hand over control to the RoC.

They will never allow Dhekelia to become a major hot spot, or accept any Turkish antics, because this will result in much embarrassment as Britain will once again leave another very sorry legacy behind.


It's an unnecessary risk for the Brits to leave the Dhekelia Base before a settlement is reached. The Brits allowed Turkey into Cyprus in 1974 when they were in a better position to restore order after the coup as a guarantor power. They did not.

As for Hong Kong, you cannot compare the two. The British were "forced" to vacate HK and no one else was going to muscle it away from China.! Same fate awaits Taiwan in the future.


We will see what happens.

Personally, I believe the Brits will wait for a settlement, but I don't believe they will wait forever if a settlement is not forthcoming.

They will handover to the RoC, and allow the RoC CNG time to take positions and dig in. They will also leave behind some observers and perhaps even leave behind some troops to ensure the CNG is well in control before they leave altogether.

Once the CNG has dug in, then there is little that can be done. If Turkey gets adventurous, I believe the international community will respond and Turkey would be taking an enormous risk if it did that!
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon May 30, 2011 4:08 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:At the present time, it is the best that the British does not pull out of any of the bases until a settlement is reached with defined state lines as well as certain distance of the north's state lines to be from the Dhekelia Base boundaries, or else, if they did pull out now, it will become a very hot spot in Turkey wanting to take it over in order to get to the southern shores of Cyprus and divide the free areas of the RoC's east and west at the same time, to which they will be able to demand greater compromise from the GCs in a future settlement. Halil is already licking his chops over that prospect, and I don't think it was ONLY for the Cheeseburger.!


If the Brits were to pull out, I doubt they will be leaving anything to chance. They will probably declare a handover date, where a ceremony will even be held where their colors will be taken down and the RoC Flag will be raised, in the spirit of Military tradition and all the fanfare that goes with it similar to what we saw in Hong Kong. They will probably even allow entry to the CNG so that they can take their posts upon handover. The Brits might even leave some troops behind for a while, as a deterrent to Turkey and to ensure a smooth transition without any shenanigans!

The British commander will then hand over control to the RoC.

They will never allow Dhekelia to become a major hot spot, or accept any Turkish antics, because this will result in much embarrassment as Britain will once again leave another very sorry legacy behind.


The Brits made some noises about handing back some of the SBA land when the second evil A Plan was under debate: that obviously became redundant with the "oxi' vote but I suspect that GB would be quite happy to reduce its (Financial) committment to the SBA.

If I recall at that time the Turks made noises about getting some SBA land for the illegal psuedo state if the Brits ever pulled out: I just hope that any hand over of unused land(which I throughly support as the whole question of the SBA in their current formatis anomolous) is done so the area comes under ROC control and the Turkish Army and its puppets are kept out.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 30, 2011 4:14 pm

'I see trouble ahead'.

UK dare not give Dekhelia to the Turks or anyone for that matter. That will only make Turkeys mouth water for access to the southern oil fields etc. They best stay put or there will be 'Megalo Problema'.

I dont have to spell it out.
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