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[Paphitis]

Indoctrination is possibly the most powerful weapon the West possesses, without it, the general populations of many nations would not allow their governments to persecute those of others.

President O'Bama* clearly stated in one of his speeches :- "That no nation should ever impose it's will upon another" and was given a standing ovation !!.

Meanwhile, the bombs of imposition were falling freely upon the heads of the defenceless in other parts of the world.

* President Obama recently journeyed to Ireland in order (as it was reported) to trace his 'Roots', he obviously must have read Alex Haley's famous novel and seized upon the opportunity to identify himself with some of the characters contained in it.

It would also enhance his chances to secure re-election since the Irish vote is very strong in the U.S.A.

He discovered that his origin was very similar to 'Chicken George' (a prominent character in the novel whose ancestry was the result of the union between a white slavemaster and a black slave girl) and he determined to trace his own 'Roots'.

He discovered that he was indeed out of the same (or similar) pot, the descendant of an Irish cattle breeder who emigrated to America and secured lands and slaves.

We know well enough of 'Chicken George', we now have 'Bullshit O'Bama' and his position as President is now a foregone conclusion.

The action of inserting an apostrophe between the first and second letters of his surname is regarded as an act of pure genius by most of his Irish supporters, it has even been suggested that he should adopt the christian name of 'Paddy'.

By Jayzus, THAT would certainly gather a few more votes.

We are not imposing our will but striking back at criminal terrorists!

Our will is for the Afghans to see better days and they will!

The nation of Afghanistan, meaning the people of Afghanistan, don't want the Taliban over their heads, and we will ensure that their nation will never have to endure these thugs ever again.

They may hit our civilians once again, but our wrath upon them will be relentless until they are obliterated into a vile rabble.

How can you possibly state that the West is NOT imposing it's will upon other nations when the Middle East is in flames precisely because the Western powers have supported (and are still supporting to a greater degree) the overthrow of established governments ?.

The fact that such governments may not be to the liking of the Western powers (and let us particularly include Israel here) does not give them 'Carte Blanche' to interfere with the running of other nations.

Conversion to 'Democracy' may appeal to we who live within it's confines, it does not necessarily guarantee that the lives of those affected will improve, indeed, there are many millions of people who consider 'Democracy' to be a flawed system rife with corruption and decadence, WE know that there is much justice in such opinions, we live among it every day of our lives, perhaps it might be kinder to leave other nations alone.

Just because OUR societies are wallowing in filth and disharmony, we should not insist that other (possibly better) societies, should join us. (IMHO)

Well if that be the case, you tell them to take their matter to the UN, and the Hague, and leave our people alone.

Even if US Foreign Policy has some flaws, it still does not give anyone any justification to hit their citizens and to hit other citizens of other nations elsewhere.

If they do this, then they must know that we will not just sit back and do nothing. We have the military might, and the resources to ruin their day, and that is exactly what we are going to do.

We will not sit by and let other nations threaten Israel with nuclear or chemical oblivion either. Such threats will only provoke them even more, and they will widen their security cordon even more.

As for the Middle East, Obama clearly put Netanyahu on the spot recently, and relations between the 2 are rather cold at present as he told Netanyahu that Israel MUST hand back land to Palestinian control and pull back to 1967 positions.

Our societies are doing just fine here. I am very content and this is beside the point!

The Taliban hit us, and now we are hitting them. Simple!

If they hit us again, we will hit them even harder!

Those fuckers better crawl under the rock where they belong.

[Schnauzer]

Indoctrination is possibly the most powerful weapon the West possesses, without it, the general populations of many nations would not allow their governments to persecute those of others.

President O'Bama* clearly stated in one of his speeches :- "That no nation should ever impose it's will upon another" and was given a standing ovation !!.

Meanwhile, the bombs of imposition were falling freely upon the heads of the defenceless in other parts of the world.

* President Obama recently journeyed to Ireland in order (as it was reported) to trace his 'Roots', he obviously must have read Alex Haley's famous novel and seized upon the opportunity to identify himself with some of the characters contained in it.

It would also enhance his chances to secure re-election since the Irish vote is very strong in the U.S.A.

He discovered that his origin was very similar to 'Chicken George' (a prominent character in the novel whose ancestry was the result of the union between a white slavemaster and a black slave girl) and he determined to trace his own 'Roots'.

He discovered that he was indeed out of the same (or similar) pot, the descendant of an Irish cattle breeder who emigrated to America and secured lands and slaves.

We know well enough of 'Chicken George', we now have 'Bullshit O'Bama' and his position as President is now a foregone conclusion.

The action of inserting an apostrophe between the first and second letters of his surname is regarded as an act of pure genius by most of his Irish supporters, it has even been suggested that he should adopt the christian name of 'Paddy'.

By Jayzus, THAT would certainly gather a few more votes.

We are not imposing our will but striking back at criminal terrorists!

Our will is for the Afghans to see better days and they will!

The nation of Afghanistan, meaning the people of Afghanistan, don't want the Taliban over their heads, and we will ensure that their nation will never have to endure these thugs ever again.

They may hit our civilians once again, but our wrath upon them will be relentless until they are obliterated into a vile rabble.

As for Obama, in time he will become one of America's finest statesmen and he has persevered with many obstacles, internal economic woes and Al Qaeda, and slowly but surely, with his vision and tenacity he has prevailed and defeated Osama, and he will prevail again and again.

An inspirational man, taller than life itself just like JFK and Roosevelt!

And isn't it a wonderful thing, that despite all of America's past bigotry, they elected an Afro Muslim. Not that this is by any means a determining factor, as I believe it shouldn't be, but the US has grown a lot and they will continue to grow in the future!

Good on them I say!

And I am compelled to say "Good on YOU mate", you are obviously a man prepared to straddle the saddle no matter what.

Hopefully you will not suffer the same fate as the 'Light Brigade'

[Paphitis]

Indoctrination is possibly the most powerful weapon the West possesses, without it, the general populations of many nations would not allow their governments to persecute those of others.

President O'Bama* clearly stated in one of his speeches :- "That no nation should ever impose it's will upon another" and was given a standing ovation !!.

Meanwhile, the bombs of imposition were falling freely upon the heads of the defenceless in other parts of the world.

* President Obama recently journeyed to Ireland in order (as it was reported) to trace his 'Roots', he obviously must have read Alex Haley's famous novel and seized upon the opportunity to identify himself with some of the characters contained in it.

It would also enhance his chances to secure re-election since the Irish vote is very strong in the U.S.A.

He discovered that his origin was very similar to 'Chicken George' (a prominent character in the novel whose ancestry was the result of the union between a white slavemaster and a black slave girl) and he determined to trace his own 'Roots'.

He discovered that he was indeed out of the same (or similar) pot, the descendant of an Irish cattle breeder who emigrated to America and secured lands and slaves.

We know well enough of 'Chicken George', we now have 'Bullshit O'Bama' and his position as President is now a foregone conclusion.

The action of inserting an apostrophe between the first and second letters of his surname is regarded as an act of pure genius by most of his Irish supporters, it has even been suggested that he should adopt the christian name of 'Paddy'.

By Jayzus, THAT would certainly gather a few more votes.

We are not imposing our will but striking back at criminal terrorists!

Our will is for the Afghans to see better days and they will!

The nation of Afghanistan, meaning the people of Afghanistan, don't want the Taliban over their heads, and we will ensure that their nation will never have to endure these thugs ever again.

They may hit our civilians once again, but our wrath upon them will be relentless until they are obliterated into a vile rabble.

As for Obama, in time he will become one of America's finest statesmen and he has persevered with many obstacles, internal economic woes and Al Qaeda, and slowly but surely, with his vision and tenacity he has prevailed and defeated Osama, and he will prevail again and again.

An inspirational man, taller than life itself just like JFK and Roosevelt!

And isn't it a wonderful thing, that despite all of America's past bigotry, they elected an Afro Muslim. Not that this is by any means a determining factor, as I believe it shouldn't be, but the US has grown a lot and they will continue to grow in the future!

Good on them I say!

And I am compelled to say "Good on YOU mate", you are obviously a man prepared to straddle the saddle no matter what.

Hopefully you will not suffer the same fate as the 'Light Brigade' :lol

Our Light Horse will prevail!

[Paphitis]

Btw, I see where you are coming from. I don't think any reasonable human being likes it when innocent people are killed, whether in the West or Afghanistan.

I'm sure you would condemn the September 11 attacks on the US, the Bali Bombings, Madrid and what not in the same manner. Regardless of any Foreign Policy flaws that may exist, Taliban or Al Qaeda do not have the right to wage terror against innocent US, Australian or British citizens and if they insist on doing this, then the West obtains ample justification in hunting them down. Equally, it is not nice when innocent Afghans are killed. I hate it, most of us do. They are innocent just like our citizens.

But maybe, for all their suffering, other generations are able to see better days. That is the only consoling factor, but it still doesn't make it right that some innocents are killed.

The bottom line is, these terrorists have a lot of blood on their hands. They have not only bought misery and destruction to OUR doorsteps, but they have bought it upon Afghanistan, not to say that life under Taliban rule wasn't already miserable for the Afghan People to begin with.

So all in all, yes you have very valid moral grounds, that all reasonable people in the West adhere to. I share the same values as you, but it seems that the Taliban most certainly DO NOT hold these values!

That's the problem!

[Paphitis]

Indoctrination is possibly the most powerful weapon the West possesses, without it, the general populations of many nations would not allow their governments to persecute those of others.

President O'Bama* clearly stated in one of his speeches :- "That no nation should ever impose it's will upon another" and was given a standing ovation !!.

Meanwhile, the bombs of imposition were falling freely upon the heads of the defenceless in other parts of the world.

* President Obama recently journeyed to Ireland in order (as it was reported) to trace his 'Roots', he obviously must have read Alex Haley's famous novel and seized upon the opportunity to identify himself with some of the characters contained in it.

It would also enhance his chances to secure re-election since the Irish vote is very strong in the U.S.A.

He discovered that his origin was very similar to 'Chicken George' (a prominent character in the novel whose ancestry was the result of the union between a white slavemaster and a black slave girl) and he determined to trace his own 'Roots'.

He discovered that he was indeed out of the same (or similar) pot, the descendant of an Irish cattle breeder who emigrated to America and secured lands and slaves.

We know well enough of 'Chicken George', we now have 'Bullshit O'Bama' and his position as President is now a foregone conclusion.

The action of inserting an apostrophe between the first and second letters of his surname is regarded as an act of pure genius by most of his Irish supporters, it has even been suggested that he should adopt the christian name of 'Paddy'.

By Jayzus, THAT would certainly gather a few more votes.

We are not imposing our will but striking back at criminal terrorists!

Our will is for the Afghans to see better days and they will!

The nation of Afghanistan, meaning the people of Afghanistan, don't want the Taliban over their heads, and we will ensure that their nation will never have to endure these thugs ever again.

They may hit our civilians once again, but our wrath upon them will be relentless until they are obliterated into a vile rabble.

How can you possibly state that the West is NOT imposing it's will upon other nations when the Middle East is in flames precisely because the Western powers have supported (and are still supporting to a greater degree) the overthrow of established governments ?.

The fact that such governments may not be to the liking of the Western powers (and let us particularly include Israel here) does not give them 'Carte Blanche' to interfere with the running of other nations.

Conversion to 'Democracy' may appeal to we who live within it's confines, it does not necessarily guarantee that the lives of those affected will improve, indeed, there are many millions of people who consider 'Democracy' to be a flawed system rife with corruption and decadence, WE know that there is much justice in such opinions, we live among it every day of our lives, perhaps it might be kinder to leave other nations alone.

Just because OUR societies are wallowing in filth and disharmony, we should not insist that other (possibly better) societies, should join us. (IMHO)

I missed one of the points you made about the overthrow of established Middle Eastern Governments!

By that you obviously mean Mubarak of Egypt, Qaddafi of Libya, Syria, Bahrain and Yemen.

I don't think it is up to us to overthrow these Governments. It is up to the people, and in each one of those nations, the people have spoken and are fighting for greater freedoms and democracy!

As the West, we have no other choice but to assist these people, because that is exactly what we claim to stand up for, freedom and democracy.

That is why we allowed one of OUR puppets to fall (Mubarak), and thankfully this happened without too much violence. Unfortunately, Qaddafi has not been so willing, and even unleashed a terrible retaliation against his own people in Benghazi. This prompted UN resolutions for NATO action, hence the Air Strikes against the regime.

Once again, innocent people are being killed, hopefully not many.

But the same thing would happen if their was no intervention and in all likelihood, even more people would be killed.

So what can you do?

The same thing is happening in Syria now. Why not grant the people their wish?

And since you bought up this point, how do you explain the West allowing to let one of their major puppets hang out to dry?

I guess it is because of that in which we stand for, we could not justify doing anything else other than allow our Middle East puppet to fall in the interests of allowing the people their wish for freedom, HR, and democracy and to assist them to achieve a smooth and peaceful transition.

We can't justify any other position without looking like total dorks to be honest!

[Schnauzer]

Whereas 'Indoctination' is (as previously mentioned) possibly the most powerful weapon the Western powers possess and use it most effectively in ensuring that the general public remain suitably 'Blinkered' whilst their military 'Hooligans' impose their will upon the defenceless, 'Infiltration' would appear to be running at a close second in terms of effectiveness.

One has only to look at the recent uprisings in many parts of the Middle East to recognize the fact that the two 'In Tandem', have produced a suitable state of instability in those regions to convince most of the aforementioned 'Blinkered' that their lives are in constant danger.

Meanwhile, civilians are dying in great numbers at the behest of those powers which (in reality) have little or no interest in the welfare of those it has 'Blinkered' into believing otherwise. (IMHO).

[Schnauzer]

Further to the above and, in an effort to overcome (or at least negotiate) the slight changes in dealing with the new style forum, there IS a point which I would like to raise regarding the reporting techniques which are adopted by ALL Western news agencies.


It is absolutely necessary to assume that those who receive the (carefully censored) news items have been suitably 'Blinkered' and are therefore less likely to THINK beyond that which they are told, therefore, thus handicapped, they are mostly quite unable to form fair opinions about major events actually taking place supposedly on their behalf.

Such assumptions DO however occasionally expose rather interesting 'Gaffes' (depending upon one's perceptions) and I would like to draw attention to a small but rather significant one.

It is ALWAYS a folly to demean one's enemy, since such disrespect or derision negates any glory one may wish to claim upon gaining 'Victory'.

I DID mention earlier that (according to the news reports) it is quite clear that the 'Taliban' (and others) are not quite so indiscriminate in selecting their 'Targets' in combat as are the Western forces, this fact may be disputed by many BUT, according to the news reports, EVERY soldier lost in combat has been a 'Hero' whereas only 'Cowardly Scum' has been targeted by the Western forces.

One wonders why the West does not field such troops as are banned from such venues as 'Ayia Napa' (on account of their unruly and past murderous behaviour) or do they ALL become 'Heroic' once they set foot upon the soil of the defenceless?.

Actually, we all know that the status of 'Hero' is only bestowed upon them once they have fallen, nonetheless, there MUST be some brave (or Heroic) fighters in opposition to the onslaught of the Western powers, were there NOT, the issues which are contested on those foreign shores would have been dealt with many years ago.

I do wonder if any member knows of a soldier who is a complete waste of space?, back in the days when I served, the ranks were brim full of 'Skivers,' 'Malingerers' and 'Draft Dodgers', ah, but that was in the good old days just prior to the 'Falklands' campaign, perhaps the 'Valour' of Prince Andrew (in his atomic-blast-proof pod) whilst aboard ship might be responsible for the new brand of 'Hero' that now swells the ranks.

Particularly those who operate the 'Drones' from 600 miles outside the battle zones.

[Schnauzer]

In the light of recent developments both within and without the news media, I am tempted to draw attention to the art of 'Blinkering' since we have ALL been treated to a ringside view of such techniques perpetrated by both the Government and press (of the UK) in recent weeks, hopefully, by reviving THIS post (presented 7 weeks ago) some of the points raised may be bolstered by that which we have witnessed during the past 3 weeks.

I refer to the great furore surrounding the 'Phone Hacking' scandal which incensed the general public of the UK to such an extent that the aftermath saw the closure of 'The News of The World' and the vilification of Rupert Murdoch (poor chap).

A classic case of 'Blinkering' in my opinion, since the general public of the UK actually believed that the Government was seriously concerned about the rights to privacy of the general population! ( , had to put a laugh in here) the unfortunate fact being that the 'Scam' seems to have worked (for the moment).

Mobile Phone Technology, which has been with us for well over a decade, suddenly revealed that certain members of the general public had been victims of some intrusions of their privacy and (very conveniently for the Government) all hell broke loose among the masses, nicely 'Blinkering' them to the REAL truth of the matter which of course has nothing to do with THEM since they have had no such rights to privacy for years but HUSH, don't tell them, they are far more malleable when 'Blinkered' and kept in ignorance.

NOW, the truth of the matter is slowly emerging, it is the privacy of the 'Privileged' that has been infiltrated, Government officials, from the highest to the lowest, even the 'Royals' are all a-tremble at what may be revealed.

As Sir Winston Churchill famously once said (When HE was Prime Minister):- "The truth is such a precious commodity, it must be protected by a bodyguard of lies".

David Cameron has not made any profound statements as of yet, he cannot really, since he is also 'Up to the neck' in the same quagmire as his many counterparts.

Prince Andrew has 'Stepped Down' ( time for another laugh) from his role as 'Trade Representative' of the UK, it of course has nothing to do with the scandal and don't you just LOVE the way the 'Stepping Down' expression replaces what has really taken place, that the arrogant obnoxious 'Hero of the Falklands' has had his arse kicked out of the job due to his extravagances.

Ah well, it is all happening in the 'Battle Zones' whilst the scandal has the general public suitably 'Blinkered', vast amounts of money are being handed out for the privilege of making troop withdrawals with some semblance of dignity (if such is possible) providing those who are offended will allow it.

Talks are taking place everywhere and to coin another phrase:- "In times of battle, he who seeks to parley is half beaten".

Finally.......A very good one:- "If it didn't make you laugh, it would make you cry"........ poor Cyprus, we are in the same hands (and well 'Blinkered') (imho)