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Turkey, Israel Set for New Clash Over Second Gaza Aid Flotilla

Dorian Jones | Istanbul May 31, 2011

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/mid ... 79139.html

[Kikapu]

Turkey, Israel Set for New Clash Over Second Gaza Aid Flotilla

Dorian Jones | Istanbul May 31, 2011

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/mid ... 79139.html

Is Erdogan going to ride "shotgun" this year on the ship from Turkey to bring supplies to the Palestinians as he said he would last year after the killing of 9 Turks, and will the flotilla have an escort from the Turkish Navy, also as promised from last year, in an attempt to dare the Israelis to try and stop them from reaching Gaza without being inspected first.?

[Paphitis]

Turkey, Israel Set for New Clash Over Second Gaza Aid Flotilla

Dorian Jones | Istanbul May 31, 2011

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/mid ... 79139.html

Is Erdogan going to ride "shotgun" this year on the ship from Turkey to bring supplies to the Palestinians as he said he would last year after the killing of 9 Turks, and will the flotilla have an escort from the Turkish Navy, also as promised from last year, in an attempt to dare the Israelis to try and stop them from reaching Gaza without being inspected first.?

If I was the Israeli CO of that boarding party and Erdogan was on board, then I would accidentally knock out a couple of teeth and give him a makeover!

Shit happens!

[Hermes]

Islamic nutcase Davutoglu has a hissy fit as Israel-Turkey ties go from bad to worse.

Turkey reduces Israel's diplomatic presence, expels envoys

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Friday Israel's diplomatic presence in Turkey was being cut to second secretary level, effectively expelling Israeli diplomats after details emerged of the Palmer Report which dealt with the IDF raid on the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara ship.

"Turkey-Israel diplomatic relations have been reduced to a second secretary level. All personnel above the second secretary level will return to their countries by Wednesday at the latest," Davutoglu told a news conference.

Davutoglu said that Turkey was also suspending military agreements after he said that some of the report's findings were unacceptable.

The report concluded that Israel faces "a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza. The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law...

Before the New York Times published the report, Davutoglu warned that if Israel did not apologize for the incident by the time the report was formally released, Turkey would "put Plan B into play."

Plan B refers to a threat made by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan last month that if Israel did not apologize, Turkey would further downgrade ties with Israel and aggressively oppose it in international forums. The Turks have also threatened to cut economic ties as part of a "Plan B.""

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPoliti ... ?id=236437

[Hermes]

Davutoglu said that Turkey was also suspending military agreements after he said that some of the report's findings were unacceptable.

So the Palmer reports findings are "unacceptable" to Turkey. In other words, the report into the flotilla incident has found against Turkey's version of events...

[Kikapu]

Davutoglu said that Turkey was also suspending military agreements after he said that some of the report's findings were unacceptable.

So the Palmer reports findings are "unacceptable" to Turkey. In other words, the report into the flotilla incident has found against Turkey's version of events...

If I'm not mistaken, Turkey has been wanting to take the "high road" and was very eager to have this report released for the last few months and blaming Israel time and time again for having it's release delayed. But it turns out, the outcome of the report in actuality favours Israel over Turkey by 90%-10% in my opinion. So why was Turkey so eager to have this report released sooner? Did they not have any idea what was going to be in the report, or did Turkey knew what was in the report and it was just a ploy to get Israel to apologise before the report came out by playing the bluff in a game of Poker with two deuces again? The problem is, if Turkey knew what was in the report before it came out and was in trying to secure an Israeli apology, then it would be foolish to think on Turkey's part if they thought that Israel did not know what was in the report also. If Turkey knew what was in the report, then Israel must have known what was going to be in the report also, which meant that they were never going to apologise before the report came out, and now that the report has come out on Turkey's insistence which is favouring Isreal by a large margin over Turkey, an apology from Israel will not be coming at all. Now that Turkey has chosen "Plan B", Turkey will be seen as an "enemy state" by Israel, which means any infractions made by Turkey on the high seas around the Oil & Gas fields shared with Cyprus, it will lead to an explosive situations between the two nations, since Israel needs Cyprus to have her Gas flow into the EU uninterrupted.

Erdogan might have grandiose dreams to bring back the Ottoman Empire and to be seen by the nearby Arabs as the next Sultan, but with the Arab Spring in full swing, these Arab nations will be looking to establish their own Democracies and Freedom and not hitch their wagon to Erdogan's dead-end 16th Century Ottoman Dreams. In the end, Israel will make better friends with the future Democratic Arab nations than any threats by these future Democratic Arab nations against Israel. Bottom line is, Turkey will not become the leader of the Arab world and at the same time, she would have burnt her bridges with Israel, USA and the EU. Then the question need to be asked, when will the "Kurdish Spring" take place in Turkey, supported by the above major players that Turkey is slowly but surely is alienating them all in one way or the other. If Turkey believes that "Arab Spring" did not have outside help to depose these Autocrats, then Turkey has a very rude awakening down the road. To use George Bush's words, "either you are with us, or against us" will be the sentiment that will be expressed by the west and Israel to Turkey. Turkey will of course choose the road that will lead her to Iran instead, which will be the beginning of the end of Turkey, Turkey as we know today that is.

[Nikitas]

If they are hanging tough in Ankara thinking that they can get the military upper hand with Israel then this is a good sign. It shows that they have taken leave of their senses, they are not in touch with reality any more.

Unless Davut says one thing and means another, ie threatens to cause a loud diplomatic stink but has no real stomach for a dynamic confrontation. I wonder if he has calculated the internal political impact of a military ship being sunk.

[Kikapu]

Davutoglu said that Turkey was also suspending military agreements after he said that some of the report's findings were unacceptable.

So the Palmer reports findings are "unacceptable" to Turkey. In other words, the report into the flotilla incident has found against Turkey's version of events...

If I'm not mistaken, Turkey has been wanting to take the "high road" and was very eager to have this report released for the last few months and blaming Israel time and time again for having it's release delayed. But it turns out, the outcome of the report in actuality favours Israel over Turkey by 90%-10% in my opinion. So why was Turkey so eager to have this report released sooner? Did they not have any idea what was going to be in the report, or did Turkey knew what was in the report and it was just a ploy to get Israel to apologise before the report came out by playing the bluff in a game of Poker with two deuces again? The problem is, if Turkey knew what was in the report before it came out and was in trying to secure an Israeli apology, then it would be foolish to think on Turkey's part if they thought that Israel did not know what was in the report also. If Turkey knew what was in the report, then Israel must have known what was going to be in the report also, which meant that they were never going to apologise before the report came out, and now that the report has come out on Turkey's insistence which is favouring Isreal by a large margin over Turkey, an apology from Israel will not be coming at all. Now that Turkey has chosen "Plan B", Turkey will be seen as an "enemy state" by Israel, which means any infractions made by Turkey on the high seas around the Oil & Gas fields shared with Cyprus, it will lead to an explosive situations between the two nations, since Israel needs Cyprus to have her Gas flow into the EU uninterrupted.

Erdogan might have grandiose dreams to bring back the Ottoman Empire and to be seen by the nearby Arabs as the next Sultan, but with the Arab Spring in full swing, these Arab nations will be looking to establish their own Democracies and Freedom and not hitch their wagon to Erdogan's dead-end 16th Century Ottoman Dreams. In the end, Israel will make better friends with the future Democratic Arab nations than any threats by these future Democratic Arab nations against Israel. Bottom line is, Turkey will not become the leader of the Arab world and at the same time, she would have burnt her bridges with Israel, USA and the EU. Then the question need to be asked, when will the "Kurdish Spring" take place in Turkey, supported by the above major players that Turkey is slowly but surely is alienating them all in one way or the other. If Turkey believes that "Arab Spring" did not have outside help to depose these Autocrats, then Turkey has a very rude awakening down the road. To use George Bush's words, "either you are with us, or against us" will be the sentiment that will be expressed by the west and Israel to Turkey. Turkey will of course choose the road that will lead her to Iran instead, which will be the beginning of the end of Turkey, Turkey as we know today that is.

Well, that didn't take too long!

Israeli official to Clinton: Declare Turkey a terror-supporting state

02 September 2011, Friday / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,


A hawkish Israeli politician reportedly wrote a letter to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday, asking the US to declare Turkey a terror-supporting state, the Jerusalem Post reported early on Friday.

Danny Danon, who is also deputy Knesset speaker, wrote a letter to Clinton after Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu warned Israel to apologize until the UN releases its report in which he called on Washington to impose sanctions on Turkey and call it a terror-supporting state.

"Turkey has gotten closer to Iran and constitutes a direct continuation of the axis of evil. The government in Washington must answer the Turkish problem before it is too late," Danon wrote, the Jerusalem Post reported.

The Israeli official called for economic and diplomatic sanctions against Turkey until Ankara changes its ways and abandons what he said “the way of terror.”

"The Turks have crossed the line. They supported the flotilla, they support terror and they dare to ask Israel to apologize to them," Danon said.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255526- ... state.html

[ZoC]

The Israeli official called for economic and diplomatic sanctions against Turkey until Ankara changes its ways and abandons what he said “the way of terror.”

and gets out of cyprus, 'cos it pisses me the f*ck off.

[Kikapu]

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock...............!

The question is, will the Turkish Navy try to break the Israeli Blockade on Gaza?

If not, so why all the rhetoric?

Having the Turkish Navy in the International waters in the Eastern Mediterranean is hardly a threat to Israel, or to the Turkish Navy for that matter!

By MURAT YETKİN

I was talking on the phone with a high-ranking Turkish official as CNN Türk’s breaking-news story started to present the Israeli government’s reaction to the Turkish government’s ultimatum regarding the Mavi Marmara flotilla affair. According to the news, the Israeli government was sorry that its soldiers killed nine Turks who were among the members of a group carrying aid to Palestinians in Gaza under Israeli blockade in May 2010, but would not apologize. The Israeli government also told Turkey to be more respectful of international maritime law.

“They can go to hell,” groaned the Turkish official’s voice on the phone. “They will see what respecting international maritime law means when our Navy sails into the international waters of the Mediterranean if they do not apologize by Wednesday [Sept. 7].”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-09-02