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[Piratis]

Piratis thinks that to be a pragmatic politicial means selling your country.

This is what you said.

[Bananiot]

So, who are the latest destroyers of Cyprus?

In my opinion, Papadopoulos and Christofias have destroyed Cyprus with their inexplicable call to the people to vote "NO" in the referendum of April 24. There is no doubt in my mind that Cyprus was partitioned for good on that day. Cyprus, dear friends, has been partitioned and the sooner we understood this the quicker we will learn to live with this and go on with our lives.

The above two, lied to the people in a most criminal way. They promised a better, so called european solution, if we voted against the A plan. There is no such thing. EU sanctioned the A plan. It took it under its wings! The whole international community and Greece, sanctioned the proposed solution. The choice was always between the A plan and partition. When the visionary pointed to this truth they were blasted away by the conservatives, for scare mongering.

In case some of you may think that I am calling for a fresh vote on the A plan as it stands, you may like to remember that time itself has bypassed the A plan. Such a venture simply isn't on. We may be offered another plan in the distant future but it will be far worse than the plan we rejected so ceremoniously.

There is also much hipocricy around but this is of paramount importance in order to make the tears appear genuine. What else could they do? Say straight to the people that partition is better than having the TC's as equal partners in a united Cyprus?

Papadopoulos has been around for a long time. He has rejected all the plans that were thrown at us by the international community. He even rejected the CBM's prepared by the UN some 6years ago, as constituting the "fourth Attila". Christofias also rejected those CBM's. Why go back that long? Some of you may remember the raw that broke out on our side about 2 years ago when someone proposed that we should buy some TC milk to alleviate the shortages we faced. Well, you do not need me to tell you what this person was called by the super patriots headed by Papadopoulos, for this unheard of, treachery.

One may ask, why has Papadopoulos, all of a sudden, become the champion of CBM's (his government announced CBM on 3 occasions last week!). It is obvious that he is trying hard to appease the international community and to lift the isolation he feels deep in his skin. It is a pity the TC's do not do him a small favour to accept at least some of the measures. He proposes, among other things, for the green line to be demilitarised to a deapth of 2 or so, km and forgets that the A plan provided for a complete demilitarisation of the whole island.

Simply, no sane person can take us seriously. On April 24, we signed and sealed the partition of Cyprus. On both sides of the island fervent celebration parties took place, some organised, most spontaneous. The unsuspecting were celebrating the partition of Cyprus.

Among the happiest Cypriots on that day, were Denktash and Papadopoulos.

[Piratis]

On April 24th we were offered to sign the partition of Cyprus and we didn't.

The destroyers of Cyprus are the ones that helped Turkey come to Cyprus. Those same people tried to destroy us again, but this time they failed, and this is why they cry and hate Papadopoulos so much.

[Bananiot]

Difficult to argue against slogans. You say the A plan was partitioning Cyprus but partition is what we have now, thanks to all those that voted "No". Do I sense that you don't like partition? One day you might find the inner strength to condemn all those that led Cyprus to this unfortunate end. We all live in Cyprus and we all know who the supporters of the "no" vote were. Among them the newspapers of "Machi" and "Simerini" the ones that supported the coup and the ones that remain extreme right wing and barbarically nationalist and chauvinist. The EOKA B core voted "No" and if you care to admit this, you can be proud of you can be proud of your comrade in arms.

[Piratis]

Partition is what we have from 1974, when some people didn't respect the will of the majority. We condemn those, and we condemn the ones that now again tried to push GC in a direction against their will.
If we accepted the Annan plan that would be our signature on the partition.

and we all know who the supporters of the "no" vote were.

Yes, AKEL (communists), EDEK (socialist), DIKO (center). Disi (right) is who supported "yes" so those are your comrade in arms and I have no doubt you are proud of them.

[Bananiot]

You still don't get it, do you? Our choice was between partition and a solution based on the A plan. Now you tell me that you prefer partition and you think that this is a patriotic stance. The people that voted "NO" and bore the brant of the "NO" campaign are the extreme right wing of DISI who supported Papadopoulos in the presidential elections an later left the party and created another one, the national socialist wing of EDEK, NEO, the church, the majority of AKEL who were told that their "NO" was soft and that their "NO" would eventuslly cement the "YES" vote and of course many decent voters who were mislead by the tears of Papadopoulos who promised a better european solution. Papadopoulos will soon be held accountable to all the people who he deceived with his lies. You write as though the 76% represent a homogenious block of voters but deep down even you know that this is absoluteley rubbish.

[Piratis]

You still don't get it do you? The Annan plan was a partition plan, and they wanted our signature on it. The people that supported yes, is the leadership of DISI along with some others I forgot what their insignificant 2% party is called. Those people managed to get a 24% yes vote by threatening the people that if they didn't vote "yes" they would loose their properties forever and great disasters would come.
The truth is, that if GC were left alone without all those threats that were coming from everywhere, the "yes" vote would have been a lot smaller.
You write as though the 24% represent a homogeneous block of voters but deep down even you know that this is absolutely rubbish.

Papadopoulos will soon be held accountable to all the people who he deceived with his lies

How soon? Tomorrow soon? in a year soon? Tell me, and lets see. (tip: put this date really far, so until then maybe I will forget and I will not come to remind you that again you were saying bullshit)

[Bananiot]

"I cried my heart out calling you to vote "NO" and maintain your negotiating advantage, because there is a huge conspiracy in this affair. If the Turkish army was to leave due to the Annan plan, the TC would face worse days than those of 1974. The GC wanted to get back all those things they could not get by the law of the arms. They wanted to do this using a plan that was drated by the foreigners. You did not listen and you said "yes" to this plan, dancing and looking good about this. May god look after those that heeded my advice and said "no". May god also look after those that did not listen to me just because they wanted to be part of the EU in order to become rich".

The god of Denktash may take good care of all those that destroyed the only chance we got to solve the problem and reunite our country.

[GIG]

Looking at the Cyprus Issue we can safely say that Cypriots did not want to be Governed by England. where Grivas went wrong was to try and Unify Cyprus with Greece regardless of it's own minority Turkish Cypriot Community. What Amazes me is the fact that our fathers lived happily with Turkish Cypriots as Next door neighbours and everyone grew up in a closely knit community.

The Solution lies in the ideal that fathers must stop teaching sons to hate the other side. The people of Cyprus are nothing more than pawns on the chessboard of world powers (namely America), and Cyprus is valuable in nothing more than it's strategic global position.

how do we solve the issue.

the people of Cyprus elect a neutral government comprised of Greek & Turkish Cypriots. The first action of this new Government is to Declare the Island Totally Neutral, and All external military bases are vacated, a neutral country does not need British or American bases to protect it. If this action was to be undertaken, it would become very apparent very quickly who our real enemies are, and it's not the Cyprus government, nor is it the people of Northern Cyprus.

The people preventing unity on our Island are the Americans, British and Turkey.

We may be able to travel into northern Cyprus, but we cannot do it freely and without restriction.

Enosis was a mistake, it was a warped view of Cypriot Nationalism. It does not apply in 2004.

Only when Cyprus is unified can the world start to consider world Peace as opposed to Global Domination.

[insan]

The people preventing unity on our Island are the Americans, British and Turkey.

Hi GIG,


What about their local compradors who have strong relations with those "preventors"?

Who are those pro-Americans, pro-Turkeys and pro-westerners.

Who led the Cyprus into EU(Heart of the western world)?


The deadliest enemy always comes from within my friend....