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[muallim]

Greek raid Turkish village near Limasol 36 people out of a population 200 were killed.The Greek said"They had given the orders to kill the inhabitans of the Turkish village before the Turkish forces arrived"

Washington post 23 july 1974.

[Piratis]

36 people? Thats it? If you try hard you might be able to find some 100s.

Compare that with the thousands of Greek Cypriots that you killed. Maybe you expected that you should be allowed to kill us by the thousands and we should not be able to respond in kind at all?

Greek Cypriots also have blame for what happened. However Turks and TCs during our history on this island have doneWAY more and way worst crimes against Greek Cypriots. So if somebody has to be punished in order to get even, those are the Turks and not the Greek Cypriots.

However the GCs do not ask that anybody should be punished. All they ask for is to leave the past behind and move ahead with respect to human rights from now on. On the other hand you insist on even more human rights violations against Greek Cypriots using some events of the past as an excuse for the continuation of your criminal actions.

[Viewpoint]

36 people? Thats it? If you try hard you might be able to find some 100s.

Compare that with the thousands of Greek Cypriots that you killed. Maybe you expected that you should be allowed to kill us by the thousands and we should not be able to respond in kind at all?

Greek Cypriots also have blame for what happened. However Turks and TCs during our history on this island have doneWAY more and way worst crimes against Greek Cypriots. So if somebody has to be punished in order to get even, those are the Turks and not the Greek Cypriots.

However the GCs do not ask that anybody should be punished. All they ask for is to leave the past behind and move ahead with respect to human rights from now on. On the other hand you insist on even more human rights violations against Greek Cypriots using some events of the past as an excuse for the continuation of your criminal actions.

Piratis you are obsessed with numbers, number of dead, number of years etc and the degree to how much each community suffered do these figures or measurements support your arguement that the oppressive years after we had the opportunity to rule ourselves was warranted and that 1963-1974 was not the real reason behind the current division. Surely if you play with fire you will get burnt and the fact that GCs supported Enosis and changes to the constitution was playing with fire, instead of embracing the newly created republic and chanting and implementing international law and human rights to all Cypriots which they so frequently do now and without much belief instead of GCs that took measures to rid themselves of the 1960 agreement which funnily enough they hold so dearly today. It is the acts of the past whcih unfortunately for many Cypriots effects most of our decision about the future and the idea of a united Cyprus. TCs do not trust GCs and vice versa we are doing nothing towards building bridges' all we are good at is blaming each other about the current situation. If we are not mature enough to admit that we have tried in the past to unite but for many reasons eg Denktash and GC NO we are unable or inept of bringing about a union that would meet both communities needs, we can sit at a table and you can call me a thief and I can respond by saying you are power hungry but what would this resolve absolutely nothing. I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel so the current status quo will continue until maybe whenever the time is right the north will be recognised as the the TRNC....then what will you be left with? Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus 2 seperate countries end of story whats so difficult to understand?

[JustAnAmerican]

I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel so the current status quo will continue until maybe whenever the time is right the north will be recognised as the the TRNC....then what will you be left with? Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus 2 seperate countries end of story whats so difficult to understand?

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

[Kifeas]

I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel so the current status quo will continue until maybe whenever the time is right the north will be recognised as the the TRNC....then what will you be left with? Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus 2 seperate countries end of story whats so difficult to understand?

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

Congratulations Viewpoint!
You have just been granted the first recognition outside the one from Turkey!
The US “ambassador” in Cyprus and “mother” of all sources has just promised to recognize you, very soon!

[Viewpoint]

I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel so the current status quo will continue until maybe whenever the time is right the north will be recognised as the the TRNC....then what will you be left with? Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus 2 seperate countries end of story whats so difficult to understand?

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

Congratulations Viewpoint!
You have just been granted the first recognition outside the one from Turkey!
The US “ambassador” in Cyprus and “mother” of all sources has just promised to recognize you, very soon!

You may smurk now but the current status quo can over time lead to degrees of recognition which will lead to full recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. If this is such a joke then you have nothing to worry abour sit back and wait, just like you are doing now

[-mikkie2-]

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

Yet more simplistic arguments from our American 'friend'.

If this where ever to occur, Turkey would be liable for billions of dollars in compensation because the GC's will never accept to recognise the north as a separate entity.

It will also mean that Cyprus would have nothing to loose in vetoing Turkey from entering the EU.

It will also mean that the American nation should feel ashamed of itself when it allows its congressmen and senators to be bribed to the tune of millions of dollars by the Turkish government in order to pursue the interests of Turkey.

Just as the Americans have made a mess of Iraq they will do the same in the eastern Mediterranean.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

Yet more simplistic arguments from our American 'friend'.

If this where ever to occur, Turkey would be liable for billions of dollars in compensation because the GC's will never accept to recognise the north as a separate entity.

It will also mean that Cyprus would have nothing to loose in vetoing Turkey from entering the EU.

It will also mean that the American nation should feel ashamed of itself when it allows its congressmen and senators to be bribed to the tune of millions of dollars by the Turkish government in order to pursue the interests of Turkey.

Just as the Americans have made a mess of Iraq they will do the same in the eastern Mediterranean.

We dont really care if GCs do not recongnize the TRNC the rest of the world is more important. This would at least bring an end to decades of bickering and fruitless negotiations. If the GCs are content with the current stalemate then what more you expect?

Id like to see the south veto Turkey, if they feel they will benefit from this action then why not? I personally feel Turkey will not become a full member but will over the next 10 to 15 years aspire to becoming a member and this will yield positive results and due to positive developments become more attractive to Turkey. So your EU card may not prove to be wha it is as Papadop appears to be banking a lot on using it to apply pressure on Turkey for concessions on GC demands.

Dont forget Turkey is already paying billions for the TRNC, nothing new there..

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, indeed the GCs made the mistake of not supporting the 1960 agreements as much as they should. However the TCs did the exact same mistake. GCs might have lost from this mistake, but TCs have lost also. Your dream that you will somehow manage to win leaving the GCs as the sole loosers from this situation will never materialize.

It is either that non of us wins (= no union AND no partition = what we agreed in 1960) OR that both sides will continue to loose over this conflict.

Piratis you are obsessed with numbers, number of dead, number of years etc

I simply reply to people that are trying to put the blame on Greek Cypriots. Greek Cypriots were not innocent, but the last ones to use the past as an excuse for current and future crimes are the TCs and Turks since during our history you have caused much more suffering to us than other way around. So stop using the past as an excuse.

TCs do not trust GCs and vice versa we are doing nothing towards building bridges' all we are good at is blaming each other about the current situation.

Of course you are doing nothing. How can bridges be build when your aim is partition?

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus 2 seperate countries end of story whats so difficult to understand?

There is nothing difficult to understand. I always said that the aim of the majority of TCs is partition. Now is it difficult for you to understand that we will not gift our land to you and that there will be no peace until the occupation of our country is over?

Viewpoint, recognition maybe sooner than you think.....

Like the fall of the WTC was sooner than you thought? USA might be the world super power (until China takes over), but I hope you understood that your actions against human rights in other countries will have negative consequences.

[BirKibrisli]

is either that non of us wins (= no union AND no partition = what we agreed in 1960) OR that both sides will continue to loose over this conflict.

Spot on Piratis.Since I joined this forum some of my opinions have changed.I now think it is important to acknowledge the past wrongs and try to compensate people wherever we can.Not many in this forum would reject the argument that there have been GC on GC,TC on TC,TC on GC and GC on TC atrocities in the past,not to mention the role of Turkey and Greece and Britain in this tragedy.It is probably too difficult to identify,try and prosecute those culprits still living,but I cant see why we cant have an official inguiry/commission whatever,give people a chance to present their evidence and arguments relating to these atrocities,and then publicly apologise to one another for wrongs done in the past.I am thinking of something like the South African Truth Tribunals which allowed people to give evidence with immunity from prosecution.That process has gone a long way in building bridges between longtime enemies/opponents/victims/aggressors etc.I think it was Mandela who said "we can't forgive you if you do not apologise".For the life of me I can't understand why we cannot be as civilised as the South Africans whose Black people suffered enormously under the apartheit regime.