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[humanist]

interesting debate fellas. However, we can achieve BBF Quebec style. The majority of people living in Quebec are from french ancestry. However anyone has the right to live there and anyone has the right to vote. That is a form of BBF within democratic values that respects everyone's human rights.

The other interesting debate that has come up in previous posts is that of right of return. I think this can be a give on the GC side in terms of allowing those Kibrislis who are currently residing in GC refugee homes to stay if the rightful owner is not wanting to return. Although in a sense it impinges on human rights of individuals it something that can be overcome through compensation. The give on the Kibrisli side is that they will return land to the rightful owner and the Kibrisli will retain the home they have be been living in for the past 35 years. The right to settle freely after that should be the right of everyone. Becaus ethe other issue arises with fixed quotas that Kibrislis who live in the north may not sell their properties to the highest bidder because they happened to be Kypreos of Greek speaking origin.

[Viewpoint]

Would that mean the GCs could use their numbers advantage to take control of the whole island both north and south?

[bill cobbett]

interesting debate fellas. However, we can achieve BBF Quebec style. The majority of people living in Quebec are from french ancestry. However anyone has the right to live there and anyone has the right to vote. That is a form of BBF within democratic values that respects everyone's human rights.

The other interesting debate that has come up in previous posts is that of right of return. I think this can be a give on the GC side in terms of allowing those Kibrislis who are currently residing in GC refugee homes to stay if the rightful owner is not wanting to return. Although in a sense it impinges on human rights of individuals it something that can be overcome through compensation. The give on the Kibrisli side is that they will return land to the rightful owner and the Kibrisli will retain the home they have be been living in for the past 35 years. The right to settle freely after that should be the right of everyone. Becaus ethe other issue arises with fixed quotas that Kibrislis who live in the north may not sell their properties to the highest bidder because they happened to be Kypreos of Greek speaking origin.

Yes, this Quebec situation is an interesting one, presumably any Canadian who wants to is free to settle there, but in practise French-speakers predominate???

The other thing to be said is that the Right to Home doesn't mean a right to a Rent-Free home; in the Bosnian example, a lot of property was restituted to Property owners, who did not take up the Right to free movement and therefore return to their property, preferring to sell or let it to Home-makers, so both sides rights were respected.

[humanist]

Bill I am not an expert on the Canadian / Quebec thingy. But in terms of democratic BBF is certainly one that works. Yes the french speakers do predominate. My assumption is that in case of Cyprus not many refugees will return therefore the Turkish speakers will also predominate. The reality is that in case of unification it will take years for the north to be as economically viable as the south, therefore the concentration of jobs will remain in the south keeping people put.

I am not familiar with Bosnia at all to be honest so I cannot comment. However, if some people aren't going to move back then I would say for the sake of a resolution giving them market value compensation to allow a TC family remain in the family is not a big ask. Then again not everyone feels this way. I am not advocating for a forceful manner in which this is done.

In my opinion the TC's are actually doing themselves a diservice by demanding exclusive zones because they are actually saying this is what we are worth. But hey who am I to comment on this. Other than the fact that I have done a great deal of personal development to know the power of one.

It is also my belief that in a couple of years and particularly if the HSBC case is won Turkey and the trnc will struggle financially and as some TC's on here may not want to accept they will be begging the RoC to save them from their predicament. I suppose Turkey won a war through guns and killings we imposed economic sanctions so we can protect our human rights and this will in the long run be much beneficail for the RoC its people and those who wish to live a peaceful life.

[Viewpoint]

We will never cave in or beg the GCs, we are just to proud for this 51 years is proof enough.

[Pyrpolizer]

We will never cave in or beg the GCs, we are just to proud for this 51 years is proof enough.

Nobody asked you to cave in or beg anyone. But could you explain me how proud could ANY person be when he is being replaced by trashy settlers in his own country? Is the the proudness you feel right now

[Viewpoint]

We will never cave in or beg the GCs, we are just to proud for this 51 years is proof enough.

Nobody asked you to cave in or beg anyone. But could you explain me how proud could ANY person be when he is being replaced by trashy settlers in his own country? Is the the proudness you feel right now

Hello this is happening all over the world, its called globalization. have you been to the Poland ho no its was the UK.

You yourself claim we are part of Turkey so of course Turks will come here its only natural and will continue to happen unless an agreement is reached which is very unlikely.

[halil]

Denktash Buba says.............

Rauf Denktas has criticized the United Nation’s Secretary General’s Special Advisor for Cyprus Alexander Downer. Denktas accused Downer of being partial and said he is being used by the Greek Cypriot Administration.

Stating that Downer is on the island within the framework of the good offices mission of the UN Secretary General, Denktas said Downer has forgot that he is obliged to treat the two sides equally.

Denkas said Downer who became a spokesperson for the European Union, attempted to threaten Turkey.


................................... Poor Downer he is squeezed from both side ......

what else we can say ?

[erolz3]

what else we can say ?

Reminds me of a quote, I think it was from Kurt Waldhiem

"Cyprus is a place sucessful policitians / diplomats go in order to experience failure"

or something along those lines. The list of sucsessful people who have got involved in the Cyprus dispute and been slated by one side or the other or often both is a long one. Downer is just the lastest in a long line of them.

[Pyrpolizer]

We will never cave in or beg the GCs, we are just to proud for this 51 years is proof enough.

Nobody asked you to cave in or beg anyone. But could you explain me how proud could ANY person be when he is being replaced by trashy settlers in his own country? Is the the proudness you feel right now

Hello this is happening all over the world, its called globalization. have you been to the Poland ho no its was the UK.

You yourself claim we are part of Turkey so of course Turks will come here its only natural and will continue to happen unless an agreement is reached which is very unlikely.

Hello we have not been replaced by anyone. It's one thing to accomodate foreign workers even in large numbers and another to be replaced by them. As far as I know the Polish are not double the British.

And I never said the occupied part of MY COUNTRY is part of Turkey LOL... actually this is just your personal fantasy.

Still you haven't answered me how proud you are being replaced.
And I want to know how proud you feel been caved in Germany and bowing to the Germans