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[antifon]

As I keep saying Cyprus' Turkish problem will be solved when Turkey finally realizes that a tCypriot in Cyprus is like a Kurd in Turkey. At the end of the day "Turkey" must choose:

will she support minority rights at the expense of the majority?

or

will she step all over minority rights in favor of the majority?

or

is a balanced approach either within a unitary state solution or a federation the proper response?


No matter what "Turkey's" choice is, IT WILL AFFECT HER and CYPRUS in not dissimilar ways!


Enjoy the exchange, while keeping in mind that Kurds suffer/ed immensely more at the hands of Turks than tCypriots ever did at the hands of gCypriots, whose [tCs] "suffering" is merely a poor excuse to extort/preserve idiotic super-rights.

Hevallo Azad , 15 May 2011 , 01:49 [KURD]
If you only see the violence of the Kurds then you can write such an article but the Kurds don't just 'see' the violence of the Turkish State, they feel it on their backs, they feel it on their skin and they breath it into their lungs! They experience it and have lived it for centuries! Is it not about time you stop the violence of your words and not blame 'violence' on Kurds but see it for what it is! A self defence reaction to the overwhelming and suffocating violence of the Turkish State! There is no honour in criminalising the oppressed, only shame!

Tarkan , 15 May 2011 , 13:01 [TURK]
@ Hevallo Azad Your words sound measured and self righteous Hevallo Azad, but actually they are empty. Violence begets violence and the Kurds were not opressed and had the same opportunities in a tough poor country as all other peoples of that country. The police are reacting because they are being attacked. Do you think that the Turks in the west of the country are swimming in milk and honey? Many of Turkish ministers are Kurds! Ex prime minister Ozal was a Kurd! If you think you can split our country, many many more will die and people like me will join the army and die to stop you.

Hevallo Azad , 15 May 2011 , 23:14
Tarkan, I'm not sure if you know the history of your own country but Turkey had a stated policy of 'Turkification' of it's inhabitants. Kurdish was banned, as were Kurdish place names and people's names. I wonder if you can imagine such an indignity as that! To have your identity taken away from you? Would you like that? Say I was to say to you that you could no longer speak Turkish and that you must change your name as Turkish names were no longer allowed, would you accept that? Yes, Ozal was Kurdish and look what happened to him when he even just began to think logically! Killed!



http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-24 ... itics.html

[supporttheunderdog]

As I keep saying Cyprus' Turkish problem will be solved when Turkey finally realizes that a tCypriot in Cyprus is like a Kurd in Turkey. At the end of the day "Turkey" must choose:

will she support minority rights at the expense of the majority?

or

will she step all over minority rights in favor of the majority?

or

is a balanced approach either within a unitary state solution or a federation the proper response?


No matter what "Turkey's" choice is, IT WILL AFFECT HER and CYPRUS in not dissimilar ways!


Enjoy the exchange, while keeping in mind that Kurds suffer/ed immensely more at the hands of Turks than tCypriots ever did at the hands of gCypriots, whose [tCs] "suffering" is merely a poor excuse to extort/preserve idiotic super-rights.

Hevallo Azad , 15 May 2011 , 01:49 [KURD]
If you only see the violence of the Kurds then you can write such an article but the Kurds don't just 'see' the violence of the Turkish State, they feel it on their backs, they feel it on their skin and they breath it into their lungs! They experience it and have lived it for centuries! Is it not about time you stop the violence of your words and not blame 'violence' on Kurds but see it for what it is! A self defence reaction to the overwhelming and suffocating violence of the Turkish State! There is no honour in criminalising the oppressed, only shame!

Tarkan , 15 May 2011 , 13:01 [TURK]
@ Hevallo Azad Your words sound measured and self righteous Hevallo Azad, but actually they are empty. Violence begets violence and the Kurds were not opressed and had the same opportunities in a tough poor country as all other peoples of that country. The police are reacting because they are being attacked. Do you think that the Turks in the west of the country are swimming in milk and honey? Many of Turkish ministers are Kurds! Ex prime minister Ozal was a Kurd! If you think you can split our country, many many more will die and people like me will join the army and die to stop you.

Hevallo Azad , 15 May 2011 , 23:14
Tarkan, I'm not sure if you know the history of your own country but Turkey had a stated policy of 'Turkification' of it's inhabitants. Kurdish was banned, as were Kurdish place names and people's names. I wonder if you can imagine such an indignity as that! To have your identity taken away from you? Would you like that? Say I was to say to you that you could no longer speak Turkish and that you must change your name as Turkish names were no longer allowed, would you accept that? Yes, Ozal was Kurdish and look what happened to him when he even just began to think logically! Killed!



http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-24 ... itics.html

Pan-Turkism and nationalist historiography has been used to deny the identity of Armenians and Kurds. At the same time, various revisionist claims were made on ancient peoples of the region and beyond.
[edit] "Pan-Turkic" historiography

Various groups including Parthians, Scythians, Sumerians, Indians, Akkadians, Elamites, Anzani, Kassites, Carians, Protohittites, Hittites, Mittani, Hurrians and others have been claimed as of Turkic origin by nationalist writers.[33] Lynn Meskell notes:[34] "Pan-Turkists who later became the ideologists of the racist movements of the present times, were rather pleased with the idea of affiliating Sumerians and Hittites to Turkish. Another historical theory developed under government sponsorship in those days held that all great civilizations — Chinese, Indian, Muslim, even ancient Egyptian and Etruscan — were of Turkish origin.[21]
[edit] Viewpoint on Armenian history

Clive Foss, Professor of Ancient History at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, has done extensive archeological work in Turkey and is an expert on ancient Armenian coinage. In his article: "The Turkish View of Armenian History: A Vanishing Nation"[35] he notes that the Turkish government: "has been systematically changing the names of villages to make them more Turkish. Any name which does not have a meaning in Turkish, or does not sound Turkish, whatever its origin, is replaced by a banal name assigned by a bureau in Ankara, with no respect to local conditions or traditions." He also notes that the Turkish government: "presented ambiguously, without clear identification of their builders, or as examples of the influence of the superiority of Turkish architecture. In all this, a clear line is evident: the Armenian presence is to be consigned, as far as possible, to oblivion.".[35]

Among the books he criticizes, Foss notes that the book written in Turkey by Cemal Anadol and titled 1982: the Armenian file in the light of history by Cemal Anadol claims the Iranian Scythians and Parthians as Turks. At the same time, Cemal Anadol claims that Armenian welcomed the Turks in the region, their language is a mixture with no roots, their alphabet is mixed with 11 characters being from ancient Turkic alphabet. Clive Foss states that to call the Turkish revisionism on Armenian history as "historical revisionism" is an understatement. He notes that: "The Turkish writings have been tendentious: history has been viewed as performing a useful service, proving or supporting a point of view, and so it is treated as something flexible which can be manipulated at will."[35]

He concludes with: "The notion, which seems well established in Turkey, that the Armenians were a wandering tribe without a home, who never had a state of their own, is of course entirely without foundation in fact. The logical consequence of the commonly expressed view of the Armenians is that they have no place in Turkey, and never did. The result would be the same if the viewpoint were expressed first, and the history written to order. In a sense, something like this seems to have happened, for most Turks who grew up under the Republic were educated to believe in the ultimate priority of Turks in all parts of history, and to ignore Armenians all together; they had been clearly cosigned to oblivion."

[humanist]

We are not heading for division. For Downer to state what he has, that means the western world has spoken and there will be no division. Cyprus is an EU territory now and the British will not allow anyone to touch their territory. A Europe without borders was the dream of the old English. Was it Henry the IIIV?

[Bananiot]

What are you on about humanist? You need to be able to read between the lines when an envoy such as Downer speaks. He is carefull to tread the middle line duting the negotiation process so hold your horses, far too early to call it.

[Pyrpolizer]

We are heading towards a NEW Cyprus problem.
That in which the Kibrislis will be replaced by settlers....

[humanist]

Pyr

We are heading towards a NEW Cyprus problem.
That in which the Kibrislis will be replaced by settlers....

They can only blame themselves ..... and we have to wear their bad decision making

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyr

We are heading towards a NEW Cyprus problem.
That in which the Kibrislis will be replaced by settlers....

They can only blame themselves ..... and we have to wear their bad decision making

I was always with the opinion that the Kibrislis were tied up after 1974.
Their mistake was to trust a foreign power.
The Kypreos would be tied as well if we got Enosis.

[humanist]

bananiot

What are you on about humanist? You need to be able to read between the lines when an envoy such as Downer speaks. He is carefull to tread the middle line duting the negotiation process so hold your horses, far too early to call it.

Please educate me Bananiot. Since you know everything about the Cypro. I suggest some lite reading on the ego might do ya some good. Have a nice day

[Bananiot]

And what will be the result of replacing the TC's with 1 or 2 million Turkish settlers? Unless we are blind, we should be able to see that we will eventually perish too. In 2003, when we had Turkey in the corner and we could have reversed this, we chose to believe a sick nationalist, that a European solution was just around the corner.

[Bananiot]

Thank you for the advice humanist, I probably need it but for us who live on the island it is freightening to watch the pace by which the north is Turkified, just because we continue to fail to rise to the occasion every time there is an opportunity for solution. If we are lucky we may get another chance but even then I am not sure we can see beyond our nose.

If you really want my advice here it is: Show some restrain when you read statements by politicians. Where they are when they speak, the timing of the statement and the messages the politician wants to send are all of great importance. In case you still fail to understand, just think of the UN, who have not called the Turkish invasion, invasion not once since 1974!