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Motherlands or Adulthood

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Postby Paphitis » Sun May 29, 2011 12:14 pm

Cap wrote:
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Cap wrote:My point being. Cypriots of the diaspora are classed as 'Greek'


WRONG


These are Australian Baghdatis fans.
Where the FU** is the Cypriot flag??

You see what I mean Quattro?

Hey Paphitis, you've got some explaining to do!



No I don't have any explaining to do!

The Australian Open is held in Melbourne, and Melbourne is considered to be the 3rd largest Greek city in the world behind Athens and Thessaloniki, considering the fact that there are 350,000 Greeks in Melbourne.

Those fans are Greek, they are not Cypriot. As Greeks, they are free to carry their flag and still go to Baghdatis games and support a Cypriot playing in the Australian Open. They do not have a right to behave in an offensive manner.

When I went to the Open 2 years ago, there were plenty of Cypriots carrying the Cypriot Flag as well.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun May 29, 2011 12:19 pm

quattro wrote:
Cap wrote:My point being. Cypriots of the diaspora are classed as 'Greek'


WRONG


Not exactly wrong Q. Whenever I say 'I am Cypriot', the response
Is invariably, 'oh, so you are 'Greek' then'. I very politely, correct them. These people are just ignorant. It's just like calling all Palestinians Moslem. Well, I have news for them. Nearly if not more are Christian Palestinians.
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Re: Motherlands or Adulthood

Postby denizaksulu » Sun May 29, 2011 12:22 pm

ZoC wrote:
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londoner wrote:In my opinion it's time for Cypriots to consider moving away from their childlike dependence on their Mother(lands) and grow their own Cypriot identity. There cannot be many other independent nations where so many flags of two other nations are flying everywhere.

Discuss


good question. u should do a poll! some idiots are even ashamed of the term "cypriot" and prefer to use the noun "cyprus" for anything from the island.


have u got a problem?


Of course not. Just reminding you of my signature. The proud Cypriot. You are showing signs of paranoia. :lol:
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Re: Motherlands or Adulthood

Postby ZoC » Sun May 29, 2011 12:27 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
ZoC wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
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londoner wrote:In my opinion it's time for Cypriots to consider moving away from their childlike dependence on their Mother(lands) and grow their own Cypriot identity. There cannot be many other independent nations where so many flags of two other nations are flying everywhere.

Discuss


good question. u should do a poll! some idiots are even ashamed of the term "cypriot" and prefer to use the noun "cyprus" for anything from the island.


have u got a problem?


Of course not. Just reminding you of my signature. The proud Cypriot. You are showing signs of paranoia. :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun May 29, 2011 12:48 pm

:lol:
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Postby quattro » Sun May 29, 2011 6:30 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
quattro wrote:
Cap wrote:My point being. Cypriots of the diaspora are classed as 'Greek'


WRONG


Not exactly wrong Q. Whenever I say 'I am Cypriot', the response
Is invariably, 'oh, so you are 'Greek' then'. I very politely, correct them. These people are just ignorant. It's just like calling all Palestinians Moslem. Well, I have news for them. Nearly if not more are Christian Palestinians.


An invasion of armies can be treated, but not an idea that has grown"
Victor Hugo, "Histoire d'un crime", 1852

Someone to prove him wrong??
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun May 29, 2011 6:47 pm

I think I must read my posts in quadrupled. Always something there that I know nothing of.
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Postby halil » Sun May 29, 2011 7:31 pm

Does it rings somethings to your ears :?: :!:



Turkish Cypriot, thank you very much!

THE THORNY issue of what Turkish people from Cyprus call themselves, or like to be referred to, is always going to cause lively debate (as in our office this week; it’s nice to play Devil’s advocate now and again, throw out a question and sit and watch the reactions)

So not for the first time I find myself thinking about whether I am of Cypriot origin or Turkish Cypriot origin.

To the regular Joe in the street, if I say I am of Cypriot origin, he will automatically, and incorrectly, assume I am a Greek Cypriot. If I say I am Turkish, Joe will assume I am from Turkey.

I am neither. For all the debate on the issue, I like to be referred to as having Turkish Cypriot heritage. Not Cypriot Turkish. Not Cypriot. Not Turkish. Turkish Cypriot.

Despite being classed as a non-entity on the international stage Turkish Cypriots are proud to be called as such but are in danger of going the way of the Dodo.

The trouble is propaganda by the Greek Cypriot administration is trying to convince the world there are only Cypriots. This might carry more weight if the Republic of Cyprus flag (with its Turkish Cypriot design) wasn’t always twinned with the flag of Greece.

Turkish Cypriots face an uphill struggle to convince those ignorant of the facts that there are TWO identities on the island, TWO peoples and TWO cultures.

But what has landed me with a bee in my bonnet this week is the way a TURKISH local paper (I’m not going to bother dignifying the publication with its name) insists on calling Turkish Cypriots, Cypriots in their reports.

Note for example last week’s excellent news about Islington Councillor Meral Ece becoming a Commissioner at the Equalities Commission. She is described as being of ‘Cypriot origin’.

It may very well be that Meral Ece doesn’t mind this tag, after all you can argue she has bigger fish to fry but it offends me.

Ms Ece, like me and thousands of others like us, has spent most of her life here. Yet we are extremely proud of our roots and heritage. Our Turkish Cypriot heritage.

Perhaps the (Turkish) reporters who wrote the story did not think it significant. But the term Cypriot pops up in other stories when describing Turkish Cypriots.

It leads me to believe that perhaps mainstream Turks do not regard us as ‘proper’ Turks, despite our island being ruled by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. Why try to discriminate against us if all we want is to be classed as Turkish Cypriot?

At the risk of making a mountain out of a molehill, I want to be known as having Turkish Cypriot heritage. If those who are supposedly ‘on our side’, those from the Motherland (Anavatan) can’t accept this, perhaps we are already extinct.

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Postby ZoC » Sun May 29, 2011 7:55 pm

halil wrote:
Turkish Cypriots face an uphill struggle to convince those ignorant of the facts that there are TWO identities on the island, TWO peoples and TWO cultures.


oh yes? TWO? how about maronites? armenians? latins? aren't they allowed to have an identity and culture?

this ignorant racist wants a right to an identity and culture he would deny others... he has been hoisted by his own petard.
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Postby ZoC » Sun May 29, 2011 8:01 pm

halil wrote: mainstream Turks do not regard us as ‘proper’ Turks, despite our island being ruled by the Ottoman Empire for centuries.


why should cyprus being ruled by ottomans for centuries make any of the island people 'proper' turks? wot the f*ck is a 'proper' turk? ur either a citizen of turkey or ur not. the rest is bullshit.
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