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[supporttheunderdog]

I was talking a well educated lady from Greece - she expressed the view to me that Cypriots are Cypriot and Greeks are Greeks but Cypriots whether Greek Speaking or not are NOT Greek!!!!

[supporttheunderdog]

You have the freedom to think and believe what you want but I must also be allowed to the same freedom to feel like a Turkish Cypriot. The unity and bonding that is necessary to build one people as in "Cypriot" just did not happen in Cyprus, this is now being exploited by GCs to get us on board its just to little to late..where was the idea in 1963?

the tc's left and went into their makeshift enclaves from some villages, the tc withdrew a government that they signed onto because they were promised taksim by their motherland turkey a crystal clear violation of the zurich agreement......therefore the tc and the pseudo state will never have any sort of legitimacy and will eventually succumb to the ROC and awknowledge the ROC's representation of the whole island

So the tc withdrew from government because of Turkey? We didnt do anything that might have possibly pissed them off right? The evil outsiders are to blame again? Then again, you are Greek and so I guess you didnt even bother to learn what happened (and I dont blame you for that since it doesnt involve you, but please dont come here and spill nonsense)

It appears to me that the first violations of the treaties occurred on the part of the leadership of both communities in the period from 1960 up to 1963 with the promotion of Takism by TSC leadership he one hand and Enosis by the GSC leadership on the other, culminating in the 13 points and the original evil A plan, the Acritas Plan, of which it is claimed Papadop was the author, which on the part of the GSC leadership was intended to emasculate the TSC's ( and quite possibly lead to ethnic cleansing of them).

The withdrawal of the TSC's from government and all that followed seems to me to be but one step in the process, in response to the 13 point plan and the calls for Enosis.

IMHO The demand for so-called national self determination was in fact a demand for national self destruction, with the absorption of Cyprus by Greece (not the formation of a new state of equals) - under 1 million Cypriots would soon find that the many millions of Greeks would control and I suspect Cyprus would have become a dead end backwater, serving only mainland Greek geopolitical interests, with little regard for the needs of the Cypriots, in just the way the illegal Pseudo state of the so-called TRNC serves the geopolitical interests of Turkey, irrespective of the presence of TSC's.

[verywitty]

Yes I agree. I also think that giving Cypriots independence was not a good idea. We were and still are politically immature people so I am not surprised we messed it up so quick. At least the promising part of the story is that back then only the few intellectuals did not ask Greece for ENOSIS, whereas nowadays only the few morons still ask for it.

[Sotos]

I was talking a well educated lady from Greece - she expressed the view to me that Cypriots are Cypriot and Greeks are Greeks but Cypriots whether Greek Speaking or not are NOT Greek!!!!

And I was talking to a well educated lady from Britain - she expressed the view to me that the English are pedophiles who have sex with their own children. I always suspected this, but now we have the proof. Shame on you!

[Byron]

I was talking a well educated lady from Greece - she expressed the view to me that Cypriots are Cypriot and Greeks are Greeks but Cypriots whether Greek Speaking or not are NOT Greek!!!!

Then I am afraid she can't be well educated !

[Byron]

Yes I agree. I also think that giving Cypriots independence was not a good idea. We were and still are politically immature people so I am not surprised we messed it up so quick. At least the promising part of the story is that back then only the few intellectuals did not ask Greece for ENOSIS, whereas nowadays only the few morons still ask for it.

It is always easy to analyse events 50 years later, especially by people born after 1974. For such people those events were just a page from the history books.

Independence or self-determination or even Enosis was IMHO better than Slavery. The question we now need to put forward is what type of political Cyprus we want for the future.

Unfortunately there is no clear consensus otherwise the "Cyprus problem" would have been solved by now or perhaps there is no "Cyprus problem" at all.

[Cap]

Quit it people.
It comes down to the individual.
If you feel Greek, good for you! If you feel Cypriot, great!

[Byron]

Quit it people.
It comes down to the individual.
If you feel Greek, good for you! If you feel Cypriot, great!

From an individual point of view, I agree with your comment but we need to clarify the position and so called " feelings " of "Cyprus" politically. That is why we have or do not have a "Cyprus problem".

[Cap]

Check out this South African MMA fighter.

Cypriot surname but Greek fanbase, Greek flags, Greek everything. No hint of Cypriotness.

Costa Ioannou

[Cap]

My point being. Cypriots of the diaspora are classed as 'Greek'