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[Sotos]

But it is the predictions of TCs that were shown to be empty. The "trnc" was declared 28 years ago but no country has recognized it. If you could go past the Turkish propaganda then you would be able to see why! It is mind boggling how brainwashed some TCs can be to actually believe that what happened in the past gives them the right to ethnically cleanse us and steal our lands. If anything the opposite is true. We deserve a part of Turkey as compensation for what the Turks have done to us since they invaded our island

Sotos a poster post what they did and you use it as a reason to talk about TC propganda and how brainwashed TC are ?

We have as Cypriots a problem. We have to as Cypriots to find a way to do better than we have done in the past. We know that blame and propaganda has got us no where historicaly. No where did I say in my reply that we (TC) have or had a right to impose division by force of arms and take pocession of your land, yet you use my reply to say that is what we believe.

I could have taken wyoming cowboys posts and statred a whole discussion about why it was not an accurate portrayal of the past, with countless referances , links and so. I have done that in the past and it gets us no where. I chose not to that.

Do you really believe that wyoming cowboys posts reflects a fair and impartial summary of historic events ?

You would need a book to write a fair and impartial summary! VP said something, wyoming said something back, then you could say something else, another one would say another thing ... we could do this for years ... literally!! TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect. But if you think of everything that happened in the past and you do this fairly and objectively the conclusion will not be that TCs have the right to ethnically cleanse us, take our lands and have a "trnc". So if you agree with me on this conclusion then why not skip the whole blame game about the past and see how to make things right for the present and the future in a united Cyprus?

[erolz3]

TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect. But if you think of everything that happened in the past and you do this fairly and objectively the conclusion will not be that TCs have the right to ethnically cleanse us, take our lands and have a "trnc". So if you agree with me on this conclusion then why not skip the whole blame game about the past and see how to make things right for the present and the future in a united Cyprus?

I have never claimed that TC have or had a right to impose partition in cyprus by force of arms. We did not and we do not , but that is what happened. If we are to fix this as cypriots however we do have to understand how and why that came to pass and we have to agree to deal with all the injustices involved that led us to where we are today. Pretending that there were no reasons why the events of 74 happend other than TC are just 'bad' people and thieves will not get us anywhere.

[Sotos]

TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect. But if you think of everything that happened in the past and you do this fairly and objectively the conclusion will not be that TCs have the right to ethnically cleanse us, take our lands and have a "trnc". So if you agree with me on this conclusion then why not skip the whole blame game about the past and see how to make things right for the present and the future in a united Cyprus?

I have never claimed that TC have or had a right to impose partition in cyprus by force of arms. We did not and we do not , but that is what happened. If we are to fix this as cypriots however we do have to understand how and why that came to pass and we have to agree to deal with all the injustices involved that led us to where we are today. Pretending that there were no reasons why the events of 74 happend other than TC are just 'bad' people and thieves will not get us anywhere.

I don't think TCs are bad people and thieves. They are Cypriots like us. But when we are accused unfairly then we reply in kind. You know how the blame games goes! I think we are all guilty of this! Let me ask you something. What do you care about? To excuse why something is wrong OR to make things right?

[erolz3]

What do you care about? To excuse why something is wrong OR to make things right?

I care passionately about making things better, or right if you prefer. However if I am told that the only thing that needs to be put right is what happend as a result of the events of 74 and we should just return to how things were in the period 68-74, then that is where the problems start.

[Sotos]

What do you care about? To excuse why something is wrong OR to make things right?

I care passionately about making things better, or right if you prefer. However if I am told that the only thing that needs to be put right is what happend as a result of the events of 74 and we should just return to how things were in the period 68-74, then that is where the problems start.

I don't think any past period was so good that we would want to return to it. Now is 2011, Cyprus is member EU, the world has progressed. Even if what we had in 68 was good for those times (and it was not!) today we should have something much better!

[erolz3]

I don't think any past period was so good that we would want to return to it. Now is 2011, Cyprus is member EU, the world has progressed. Even if what we had in 68 was good for those times (and it was not!) today we should have something much better!

I do not disagree with your sentiment but you have kind of missed my point. I have accepted the 'wrong' that was done to you in our name. Can you accept the wrongs done to us in your (GC) name ? Can you accept that all these need to be dealt with for us to sort this mess out ?

[Sotos]

I don't think any past period was so good that we would want to return to it. Now is 2011, Cyprus is member EU, the world has progressed. Even if what we had in 68 was good for those times (and it was not!) today we should have something much better!

I do not disagree with your sentiment but you have kind of missed my point. I have accepted the 'wrong' that was done to you in our name. Can you accept the wrongs done to us in your (GC) name ? Can you accept that all these need to be dealt with for us to sort this mess out ?

I said it already above when I wrote "TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect". All wrongs should be corrected no matter when they were made or who made them.

[CBBB]

I don't think any past period was so good that we would want to return to it. Now is 2011, Cyprus is member EU, the world has progressed. Even if what we had in 68 was good for those times (and it was not!) today we should have something much better!

I do not disagree with your sentiment but you have kind of missed my point. I have accepted the 'wrong' that was done to you in our name. Can you accept the wrongs done to us in your (GC) name ? Can you accept that all these need to be dealt with for us to sort this mess out ?

I said it already above when I wrote "TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect". All wrongs should be corrected no matter when they were made or who made them.

You father can't use a condom now!

[Sotos]

I don't think any past period was so good that we would want to return to it. Now is 2011, Cyprus is member EU, the world has progressed. Even if what we had in 68 was good for those times (and it was not!) today we should have something much better!

I do not disagree with your sentiment but you have kind of missed my point. I have accepted the 'wrong' that was done to you in our name. Can you accept the wrongs done to us in your (GC) name ? Can you accept that all these need to be dealt with for us to sort this mess out ?

I said it already above when I wrote "TCs have done wrongs, GCs have done wrongs, nobody is perfect". All wrongs should be corrected no matter when they were made or who made them.

You father can't use a condom now!

Yours can't either! But we can always execute you

[verywitty]

You have the freedom to think and believe what you want but I must also be allowed to the same freedom to feel like a Turkish Cypriot. The unity and bonding that is necessary to build one people as in "Cypriot" just did not happen in Cyprus, this is now being exploited by GCs to get us on board its just to little to late..where was the idea in 1963?

the tc's left and went into their makeshift enclaves from some villages, the tc withdrew a government that they signed onto because they were promised taksim by their motherland turkey a crystal clear violation of the zurich agreement......therefore the tc and the pseudo state will never have any sort of legitimacy and will eventually succumb to the ROC and awknowledge the ROC's representation of the whole island

So the tc withdrew from government because of Turkey? We didnt do anything that might have possibly pissed them off right? The evil outsiders are to blame again? Then again, you are Greek and so I guess you didnt even bother to learn what happened (and I dont blame you for that since it doesnt involve you, but please dont come here and spill nonsense)