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[bill cobbett]

Might just add... motives for posting documents such as Paragraph 17 in the OP, shouldn't be an issue cos these documents can stand or fall on their own merits, but it is only right that we know they exist.

Repeat the view that in the conflict between Property and Home, para 17 is saying that Property takes precedence. Would still however be nice to see some case-law to see how it has been interpreted elsewhere.

... but the experts, people that the leaders and the UN can call on for expert opinions are only a phone-call away, if they are not already attached to the talks.

[EricSeans]

A worthy document, like so many modern day UN documents full of worthy 'ideals' and 'guidelines' that unfortunately are far from becomming real world realites any time soon. Worthy ideals like

"8.1 Everyone has the right to adequate housing. ". Everyone has the right to it but even in 2011 100's of millions if not billions of people world wide do not have it. Still a worthy Ideal

Anyway I wanted to ask Bill if you have read this document from the perspective of how the RoC treats restitution of TC property in the south ? I am thinking of sections like, but not only

13.1 Everyone who has been arbitrarily or unlawfully deprived of housing, land and/or property should be able to submit a claim for restitution and/or compensation to an independent and impartial body, to have a determination made on their claim and to receive notice of such determination. States should not establish any preconditions for filing a restitution claim.

13.4 States should ensure that the restitution claims process is accessible for refugees and other displaced persons regardless of their place of residence during the period of displacement, including in countries of origin, countries of asylum or countries to which they have fled. States should ensure that all affected persons are made aware of the restitution claims process, and that information about this process is made readily available, including in countries of origin, countries of asylum or countries to which they have fled.

13.5 States should seek to establish restitution claims-processing centres and offices throughout affected areas where potential claimants currently reside. In order to facilitate the greatest access to those affected, it should be possible to submit restitution claims by post or by proxy, as well as in person. States should also consider establishing mobile units in order to ensure accessibility to all potential claimants.

13.7 States should develop restitution claims forms that are simple and easy to understand and use and make them available in the main language or languages of the groups affected. Competent assistance should be made available to help persons complete and file any necessary restitution claims forms, and such assistance should be provided in a manner that is age and gender sensitive.

13.9 States should establish a clear time period for filing restitution claims. This information should be widely disseminated and should be sufficiently long to ensure that all those affected have an adequate opportunity to file a restitution claim, bearing in mind the number of potential claimants, potential difficulties of collecting information and access, the extent of displacement, the accessibility of the process for potentially disadvantaged groups and vulnerable individuals, and the political situation in the country or region of origin.

Blimey, Erolz. What rights will you have in the case of eviction, occupying a GC property you took over as an immigrant from the UK?

[erolz3]

Blimey, Erolz. What rights will you have in the case of eviction, occupying a GC property you took over as an immigrant from the UK?

As ever you tell the same distortions and lies that you KNOW to lies and distortions yet again under a ID when I have answered this 'claim' of yours time and again, when you make it year after year accross mutiple fourms each time from a new assumed ID's. And you wonder why I think exposing the connection between such ID's is valid in your case ?

Once more. I am not an immigrant, as you well know. I am legaly a citizens of the RoC and the TRNC, by the rights granted to me in both the RoC consitution and the TRNC consitiution. I have myself never purchased disputed property in Cyprus. I do part own under TRNC laws by inhertance a house built on land in North Cyprus that was GC pre 74 (not saying its not still GC owned btw). Pre 74 the land did not have a house on it and never had until the 1980s. It was purchased by my father , a TC from birth with Cypriot mother and a Cypriot father, each of which where also born to cypriot parents. The house is situated less than 1km from the village my father grew up in Cyprus. It was bought by my father as his health went into serious decline and was bought not because it was cheap but because it was what was available and in the right area, given the support he required as a result of medical condition from family and friends. It was bought so he could as a Cypriot spend his final years in the country of his birth within a kilomenter of the village he grew up in and near his cypriot family. He died less than 2 years after buying and moving to this house.

You KNOW all this already. I have never hidden the truth about who I am and what property I 'own' in the TRNC or how I have come to own it. You have been told it on at least two other occasions when you have made the same accusations under different alises and in different places.

It is exactly this kind of behaviour on your part that is the reason why I think exposing the connections between your many and various aliases on various cyprus related forums is valid.

As I have said in the past if the cost of a Cyprus solution is the loss of my share of this property then so be it. I have actualy proposed in the past that indeed should there be a solutiuon whereby I get to retain that ownership, then any increase in its value should not accrue to me but should be available to be used to fund settlemetns of others (making up the shortfall in difference between TC property in South and GC property in North) as much as can. When I made this suggestion in the past and suggested that people like yourself, who bought cheap property in the north, that was cheap only as a result of the suffering of Cypriots, even though it was TC land pre 74 should ALSO have some of the value increase a peace dividend would bring to their property used to fund fair solutions for other Cypriots, on the basis that the increase in value was not the result of anything you had done, but the result of cypriot suffering and thus should accrue to medning that suffering as much as possible, you took extreme exception to that idea, insiting that because you had bought pre74 TC land in the north any value increase that was undeniably the result of cypriot suffering that would accrue post solution would be yours and yours alone.

So spout your claims above that you know to be total distortions of actual fact, yet one more time in yet one more location and under yet one more ID. I care not. I know who I am and what I am and I sleep soundly at night. What you think and what lies and distortions yopu post about me under cover of your many alises mean nothning to me.

[repulsewarrior]

...erolz, will you read my manifesto thingy, please like O, give it a go sentence by sentence, i read your words above and i understood everyone of them, i read your pain; cheers.

...on another level, less personal, e.sean is entirely right, in the north there will be a disruption, sadly, as has been described, and in the Peace which follows this impact, we'll expect the same consideration to the displacment of Turco-Cypriots in the south as well. people who bought land dismissing the warnings before them, will pay a price, likley the cost of the time they were occupiers, for some the cost of the house (or hotel) they built themselves, for others outright loss, but it is very hard to believe that things will stay this way forever. in that sense we can choose, or be subject to reacting when these choices are made by others.

...i have made my proposal to repopulate and to redistribute land. it is based on the premise that we must acknowledge the desperate turmoil the displacement of so many has caused; for some at least, a return as communities. there is much need for this reconciliation, and by defining Bizonal and Bicommunal in a manner which can be emulated by our global partners, it is a contribution to Mankind and Human Betterment, equal to the end of our subjugation, as Cypriots.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31695

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

[erolz3]

...erolz, will you read my manifesto thingy, please like O, give it a go sentence by sentence, i read your words above and i understood everyone of them, i read your pain; cheers.

I have tried repulsewarrior, more than once. I do not know why but for some reason I struggle to understand properly large % of your posts here let alone these documents. I do not blame you for this at all, I am sure its as much down to me or all me as to you but this is the case none the less.

Why not come to Cyprus and stay with me for three weeks as my guest and explain it to me in person and maybe we can get past my seeming block on understanding what you are saying.

...on another level, less personal, e.sean is entirely right, in the north there will be a disruption, sadly, as has been described, and in the Peace which follows this impact, we'll expect the same consideration to the displacment of Turco-Cypriots in the south as well. people who bought land dismissing the warnings before them, will pay a price, likley the cost of the time they were occupiers, for some the cost of the house (or hotel) they built themselves, for others outright loss, but it is very hard to believe that things will stay this way forever. in that sense we can choose, or be subject to reacting when these choices are made by others.

If this is what EricSeans has been saying then I have missed it in the face of his personal accusations against me of being a bully, of threatening forum posters, of being a facist, a racist, an 'agent' of the TRNC, an appologist for bullies, and an immigrant from the UK occupying GC property that I 'took over' (meaing inherited), and snide 'jokey' comparrisons to me and the viz chracter mr logic. Repeatedly I might add on many different forum and behind many different aliases over many many years.

...i have made my proposal to repopulate and to redistribute land. it is based on the premise that we must acknowledge the desperate turmoil the displacement of so many has caused; for some at least, a return as communities. there is much need for this reconciliation, and by defining Bizonal and Bicommunal in a manner which can be emulated by our global partners, it is a contribution to Mankind and Human Betterment, equal to the end of our subjugation, as Cypriots.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31695

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

I will try again to read and understand your proposals RW but will do so knowing I have failed more than once in the past.

[Sotos]

And you wonder why I think exposing the connection between such ID's is valid in your case ?

I don't understand why you should expose his ID If he lives in occupied Cyprus and if he criticizes the actions of Turkey then if everybody knew who he was that could create him a lot of problems and even put his life at risk! But I think you know this already and this is why you are doing this. You are trying to silence him by exposing his real ID and make him to be afraid to say his opinion freely!

[erolz3]

I don't understand why you should expose his ID If he lives in occupied Cyprus and if he criticizes the actions of Turkey then if everybody knew who he was that could create him a lot of problems and even put his life at risk! But I think you know this already and this is why you are doing this. You are trying to silence him by exposing his real ID and make him to be afraid to say his opinion freely!

Firstly I was not the one that exposed his true name as being linked to one of his more well known aliases, he was the one who did that and when he did it he himself said

I am one and the same (real name and one of his many aliases), it’s no secret, but my PC logged me in under Pikey as that was how I joined under the old set-up. Who are you?

No signs of any fear then. Nor did he request the comments where he himself showed his real name and one of his many aliases to be one and the same be removed for 'fear of harm'. Further in posts under his various aliases elswhere where he has posted scary warnings to ex pats in the TRNC that they should watch out that the TRNC does not just summarily expell them the instance it becomes expident fotr them to do so, others, not me, have challenged him that given his anti TRNC posts that he makes he should worry about repurcussions. In response to these he has bosted about how well he is known in government offices in the TRNC and how he pid his local housing taxes only the other week and without any fear at all.

Sotos if I thought there was ANY physical danger to him at all, let alone to his life I would not have posted any referance to his real world name. In fact it is pretty dam insulting to suggest that I have reffered to his name and its known connection to various aliases with the intent of putting in physical harm and at risk for his life. It is just not true.

As to why I have done what I have it is all explained already and I am not going to go over it all again other than to say as far as I am concerned doing so is legitimate given his behaviour over 8 odd years or so.

[Sotos]

If instead of anti-"trnc" posts he was making anti-RoC posts by posting things which were untrue about the RoC would you do the same?

[erolz3]

If instead of anti-"trnc" posts he was making anti-RoC posts by posting things which were untrue about the RoC would you do the same?

I might be less aware of the full extent of his shenanigans if that were the case but if I was as aware then yes I genuinely believe I would. I care about truth and honesty, I really do.

[Sotos]

If instead of anti-"trnc" posts he was making anti-RoC posts by posting things which were untrue about the RoC would you do the same?

I might be less aware of the full extent of his shenanigans if that were the case but if I was as aware then yes I genuinely believe I would. I care about truth and honesty, I really do.

But most of the members of the Cyprus44 forum post tons of anti-GC and anti-RoC crap which are untrue. Why target one of the very few people who post a pro-GC view on that forum when there are so many others who post untrue nonsense against GCs constantly?