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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun May 08, 2011 1:02 pm

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erolz3 wrote: Please do excuse me if I bow out again.


Yawn!

Elroz, the GC stole nothing from you. You were NEVER entitled to anything in the first place. What you had GIVEN to you by the foreigners, you tried to use against the legal indiginous majority of the Cyprus inhabitants.

You were so used to having that silver spoon in your mouths, that as soon as you had to start fending for yourselves, you began the crocodile tears.

You are holding hostage 37% of my island, you are the common theives, you are the invader and YOU have the audacity to complain about us??? FFS.

As for coming to this forum, better stay put on your Crap44 site, where everyone agrees with you and loves you so much.

Law and order you say??? thats rich coming from a pseudo state, founded on ethinic cleansing and mass rape and slaughter. Oh, I forgot, better ask your carpet baggers how your law and order is treating them, I think they won't agree with your angel like attitude.


Jeez and I thought i was talking with a respectable person.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Postby EricSeans » Sun May 08, 2011 1:59 pm

erolz3 wrote:Quattro I am not saying that both sides to not carry some blame. I have repeated on here and elsewhere constantly that both communites bear responsibility and blame, though I do argue to what degree in the various time periods. We can (and do) carry some of the blame but that fact does not show that nothing was stolen from us. Its a different argument / discussion. Soto's claim that I was responding to was that nothing was stolen from us (TC community) by the GC community.

I disagree, thats all. If the rights granted to us were unjust and unfair, then they should have been removed or challenged legaly. They were not, they were taken from us without any valid legal due process. To say that no legal due process was needed to remove them from us because they were 'unfair' or 'unjust' doesnt wash with me, sorry. Not if you beleive in legality and the rule of law. If something is unjust then challenge it in courts. If the courts uphold the unjust, then change the laws.

DT I don't want to go over old ground all over again. However , refusing to approve budgets is a vaild and legal form of protest, used around the world, especially in the US between Senate and Presidency. The municiplaites issue should have legaly been solved by the constitutional court but Makarios refused to abide by this legal bodies rulings. Withdrawing from government is a valid and legal form of protest, used the world over and does not legaly abrogate your rights in doing so. The TC leadership formaly requested a return to government under its legal rights granted under the 60's agreements as documented by the UN. This has been covered so many times before and this round and round that same discussions is on reason I seldom post these days. One example here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#199501

The point I am trying to get across is that simply telling TC that nothing was stolen from them, when plainly they believe something was will never move us forward. We did have rights under the 60's agreements, these agreements were considered legal by the entire world at the time they were drawn up and agreed. These rights were removed without any legal due process, national or international. The only way they could be considered to have been removed legaly is via legal due process. Saying they werent fair in the first place thus we can remove them without any valid legal due process is not how it works. Not then and not today. It just does not matter how fair or unfair agreements signed may be, one party can not just decide they are unfair without legal due process and expect the other party to say 'oh thats ok then'.

Anyway clearly we are no further forward than we were years ago. Continue to believe that nothing was taken from the TC community in 63-65 if you like. My personal belief is that choosing to believe that can only hinder our chances of sorting out the mess today but maybe I am wrong or maybe it makes no difference what any of us believe.


For someone who admits here that both sides carry blame, why do you adopt a more fascist approach on a "TRNC" forum? You attempt to silence criticism of the illegal regime using methods the TMT would be proud of. You know the old techniques - name a few names, suggest a few aliases and then start suggesting who some people are in real life. Start a personal witch-hunt in other words. All things which are banned even there. Why should someone who would stoop to such despicable levels be trusted anywhere?

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Postby quattro » Sun May 08, 2011 2:19 pm

erolz3 wrote:Quattro I am not saying that both sides to not carry some blame. I have repeated on here and elsewhere constantly that both communites bear responsibility and blame, though I do argue to what degree in the various time periods. We can (and do) carry some of the blame but that fact does not show that nothing was stolen from us. Its a different argument / discussion. Soto's claim that I was responding to was that nothing was stolen from us (TC community) by the GC community.

I disagree, thats all. If the rights granted to us were unjust and unfair, then they should have been removed or challenged legaly. They were not, they were taken from us without any valid legal due process. To say that no legal due process was needed to remove them from us because they were 'unfair' or 'unjust' doesnt wash with me, sorry. Not if you beleive in legality and the rule of law. If something is unjust then challenge it in courts. If the courts uphold the unjust, then change the laws.

DT I don't want to go over old ground all over again. However , refusing to approve budgets is a vaild and legal form of protest, used around the world, especially in the US between Senate and Presidency. The municiplaites issue should have legaly been solved by the constitutional court but Makarios refused to abide by this legal bodies rulings. Withdrawing from government is a valid and legal form of protest, used the world over and does not legaly abrogate your rights in doing so. The TC leadership formaly requested a return to government under its legal rights granted under the 60's agreements as documented by the UN. This has been covered so many times before and this round and round that same discussions is on reason I seldom post these days. One example here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#199501

The point I am trying to get across is that simply telling TC that nothing was stolen from them, when plainly they believe something was will never move us forward. We did have rights under the 60's agreements, these agreements were considered legal by the entire world at the time they were drawn up and agreed. These rights were removed without any legal due process, national or international. The only way they could be considered to have been removed legaly is via legal due process. Saying they werent fair in the first place thus we can remove them without any valid legal due process is not how it works. Not then and not today. It just does not matter how fair or unfair agreements signed may be, one party can not just decide they are unfair without legal due process and expect the other party to say 'oh thats ok then'.

Anyway clearly we are no further forward than we were years ago. Continue to believe that nothing was taken from the TC community in 63-65 if you like. My personal belief is that choosing to believe that can only hinder our chances of sorting out the mess today but maybe I am wrong or maybe it makes no difference what any of us believe.


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Postby Sotos » Sun May 08, 2011 2:45 pm

erolz3 wrote:Anyway as ever when I pop back onto this forum, I realise once again why I so rarely do so these days.


You mean realise that here the truth can not be silenced like the other forum which you participate.

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Postby quattro » Sun May 08, 2011 2:58 pm

Sotos wrote:
erolz3 wrote:Anyway as ever when I pop back onto this forum, I realise once again why I so rarely do so these days.


You mean realise that here the truth can not be silenced like the other forum which you participate.

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yes Sotos but the real meaning of rule No 5 is very different in their eyes
Is valid as long you ''tells us what we want to hear''
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Postby erolz3 » Sun May 08, 2011 3:42 pm

EricSeans wrote:For someone who admits here that both sides carry blame, why do you adopt a more fascist approach on a "TRNC" forum? You attempt to silence criticism of the illegal regime using methods the TMT would be proud of. You know the old techniques - name a few names, suggest a few aliases and then start suggesting who some people are in real life. Start a personal witch-hunt in other words. All things which are banned even there. Why should someone who would stoop to such despicable levels be trusted anywhere?


My position, as well as my indentity is totaly consistent, over all the fora I post on and all the many years I have posted on them. I have never sought to silence crisitsm, my record of how I worked with GC and TC to set up and run an alternate forum to this in the past is concrete proof of that.

What I oppose on all fora is intentful lies, made under cover of decption and hidden identities. When someone like yourself posts things he knows to be untrue about the TRNC it is clear that the objective is intentful deception and I oppose such behaviour as far as I can. If a consquence of exposing such underhad behaviour is you getting banned there, well so be it, I do not set the rules on that forum, nor have I ever called for you to be banned there. Indeed I have expliclty said I would prefer you not to be banned, but that is not under my control. Exposing your lies and decit is to a limited degree under my control.

When you post on cyprus44 blatant lies that you know to be lies you show your true colors, just like you did recently when you posted the lie that TRNC citizens are protected by ECHR in the TRNC but non citizens are not. If exposing that reality that when you posted that you knew it to be a lie is 'facisitic' then facist I must be.

If you want to talk about dispicable, why not tell your friends over here how over there you supported a poster who claimed that higher incidence of thalissimia in Cypriots is casued by and proof of higher rates of child sexual abuse amongst cypriots ? Now that is despicable, but of course you will deny that was you over there and claim any attempt to expose that truth that it was you, Campbell Thomas, is a facisitic attempt to silence critisim.

Throw all the accusations against me you like, as you have done for years now from your known many IDs over the years, I care not. The accusations I have made against you are supported by hard evidence in exactly the same way yours against me are not. For me behaving in a honourable , honest matter is not something I do to create impressions in others. It is something I do because for myself because I do not want to live my life any other way. How you account to yourself for your behviour, in the dark when you are alone I do not know and frankly do not care.
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Postby erolz3 » Sun May 08, 2011 3:57 pm

sotos wrote:
erolz3 wrote:Anyway as ever when I pop back onto this forum, I realise once again why I so rarely do so these days.


You mean realise that here the truth can not be silenced like the other forum which you participate.


I do not set the rules on cyprus44 and I am not a mod there and I have no control how it is run.

I did in the past set up a forum where cypriots could discuss issues. I did so no alone but sought and got and worked with a team of moderators, both GC and TC. Whilst that site was active, no post was ever removed, other than spam adverts for nike's and the like. Post that broke the rules were only ever moved never removed. All moderators actions were allowed to be openly discussed and questioned. In the time thee forum was active, a number of years, no poster was banned. One poster managed to get a suspended for a year, after persistent and repeated breach of rules, where everyone could see the posts he made to break those rules and comment on the decision. A hanful of others got suspension of a week.

In short compared with any other cyprus based forum it was run in a more open manner than any other bar none, removed no posts, even those that breached the rules and banned no posters.

To claim that I desire forum censorship that seeks to silence critism of the TRNC is just patent nonsense not support by the real evidence that exists but that will not stop some from claiming it to be the case regardless of reality.
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Postby erolz3 » Sun May 08, 2011 4:19 pm

B25 wrote: Elroz, the GC stole nothing from you. You were NEVER entitled to anything in the first place. What you had GIVEN to you by the foreigners, you tried to use against the legal indiginous majority of the Cyprus inhabitants.


Nothing ever changes here does it.

What was 'given' to us in the 60's agreements, was given to us under a process that at the time was entirely legal in every possible jusrisdiction both national, including Greece and international, including the UN. That you felt it was unfair and imposed and that rule of law as it exsited then, national and international was unjust does not change that reality at all. That you today can still claim that if you feel national and international law as recognised by every compentent authority in the entire world was or is unfair and unjust to you, you had and have every right to use non legal means to ignore it and overule is a huge obstacle to us ever being able to sort out the mess we have created in Cyprus as far as I am concerned.
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Postby Sotos » Sun May 08, 2011 6:00 pm

I do not set the rules on cyprus44 and I am not a mod there and I have no control how it is run.


But you have no problem to participate there even though it has such rules. Every time you come here I see you complain about this forum. Do you ever complain about how that other forum is run? Why don't you stop posting there in protest? I still think the rules there suit you fine ;)
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