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[Pyrpolizer]

TRNC is reality, making excuses or closing your eyes will not make it go away... has to deal with it. CASE CLOSED

CASE OPEN:
Could someone define this reality and whatever goes with it?
VP, you perhaps?[/quote]

[Pyrpolizer]

Well verbal preciseness requires more than a one liner that's true. I bet you can't define the concept of the reality you call "trnc". I mean with anything else than just a name.
Could you try?

OFFICIAL NAME: Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) / Kuzey Kibris Türk Cumhuriyeti (KKTC)

FORM OF STATE: Secular republic, based on the Constitution of 1985

PRESIDENT: Dr.Dervish Eroglu

NATIONAL FLAG: A reversed copy of the Turkish flag: the white background with two red stripes at the top and bottom, with a vertical red crescent and red five-pointed star. Crescent indicates the religion - Islam.


COAT OF ARMS: A dove carrying an olive branch, symbol of peace, over "1983", the year of the proclamation of the TRNC. The background is a copper-yellow colour, which symbolises the large deposits of copper in Cyprus. The Turkish star and crescent emblem is placed over the shield.


NATIONAL ANTHEM: İstiklâl Marşı

GEOGRAPHICAL POSITION: Middle East, Eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea

AREA: 3,355 km² (out of the total area 9,250 km²)

POPULATION: 264,172 (2006)

CAPITAL CITY: Nicosia / Lefkosa

OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: Turkish

RELIGION: 99% - Islam, 1% - Orthodox, some Maronites and Catholic

OFFICIAL CURRENCY: Turkish New Lira / Yeni Türk Lirası (YTL)

Do you need any more precise details, all you have to do it look north to view the safe haven for all Turkish Cypriots.

[ZoC]

and here's a photo... it's got guards, police, ethnic minorities riding donkeys (vaughan williams) and everything...

[antifon]

and here's a photo... it's got guards, police, ethnic minorities riding donkeys (vaughan williams) and everything...

[Pyrpolizer]

Thank you VP for letting us know what is wrtten on the Kimlik karti of your so called "trnc reality"

Now let’s see the other realities:
Your so called "trnc" is nothing but an illegal state based on theft of homes, lands, and propertries of GCs. The area on which it lies belongs by 90%+ to GCs. It is a product of invasion occupation and ethnic cleansing 37% of the area of the Republic of Cyprus. You can’t have a state based on someone elses lands and properties to start with.

Nobody will ever recognise it, because recognising it means accepting it as a perfectly legal and equal entity.By doing that, it is like blowing up the foundations of law and justice of the country that would do so. The best any country can do for the so called "trnc reality", is just turn a blind eye as long as they are not affected. In other words as long as the "trnc reality" stews in it’s own juice everything is fine. By the minute it tries to export it’s illegalities to the outside world like for example sell stolen properties to foreigners there waits the foreign justice and the affected GCs to strike. The "trnc reality" will always be like a snake hit on the head and hiding back to it’s hole.

Not only the so called "trnc reality" is an illegal form by all international standards and by it’s own consitution as such, it is also a puppet administration to Turkey, heavily militarised by Turkey, and been used for constant and heavy collonisation. This adds another huge illegality to the already existing one.The "trnc reality" today houses less than half the original TCs and their decendents, whereas the settlers from Turkey are double to tripple as many. By everyones admission it is the settlers who gave you Eroglu as president, whereas the majority of real TCs did not vote for him…

It is very unfortunate that the life of the real TCs has been so much influenced by this very existence of the "trnc reality" to the point that plain innocent TC people cannot advance economically, got isolated from the whole world, cannot travel easily, cannot even receive mail from abroad unless it goes through Turkey…. It is even more unfortunate that they are unable to understand that the source of their problem is this "trnc reality" and whatever goes with it. They were even brainwashed to beleive their problem are the GCs themselves half of which are refugees and suffered the most from this ethnic cleansing and deprivation of their homes and lands…

The very existence of the illegal "trnc reality" is what causes ALL your problems and you know it damn well. Hiding behind stupid slogans invented by Denktash like "safe heaven" may still sell to some stupid people, and you are very clever to know that damn well VP. In fact these are all the weapons you use time and time again in this forum. Good luck.

I am afraid this "trnc reality" is the one that will eventually wipe off all the real TCs from Cyprus. So it will end up housing all trashy Anatolian settlers.That would be bad for the TCs who in the end would just lose their country. It will be bad for the GCs too, but bear in mind that the GCs will have other options to chose when that time comes.

In my opinion the best you can do before is too late is just abolish this so called "trnc reality" and claim your rights in the Republic of Cyprus. And it will be too late if the number of the real TCs that are in Cyprus falls below 60K (from the currently 80K figure).

[bill cobbett]

One of the figures that VP gives above ...

RELIGION 99% Islam... speaks volumes.

[Pyrpolizer]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

At least on this the TCS were always more wise than the GCs

[bill cobbett]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

Well yes quite... only today Errogluey was claiming the Occupied Areas were secular, in contrast (as he claims) to the situation in the Free Areas.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer we have had our differences in the past and we do not have to agree on anything thats whats makes the reality invaluable....I think you are clever enough to understand.

Your so called "trnc" is nothing but an illegal state based on theft of homes, lands, and propertries of GCs. The area on which it lies belongs by 90%+ to GCs. It is a product of invasion occupation and ethnic cleansing 37% of the area of the Republic of Cyprus. You can’t have a state based on someone elses lands and properties to start with.

Examples; USA, Australia Taiwan and Israel.

Nobody will ever recognise it, because recognising it means accepting it as a perfectly legal and equal entity.By doing that, it is like blowing up the foundations of law and justice of the country that would do so. The best any country can do for the so called "trnc reality", is just turn a blind eye as long as they are not affected. In other words as long as the "trnc reality" stews in it’s own juice everything is fine. By the minute it tries to export it’s illegalities to the outside world like for example sell stolen properties to foreigners there waits the foreign justice and the affected GCs to strike. The "trnc reality" will always be like a snake hit on the head and hiding back to it’s hole.

The TRNC reality is the prize anything else is a bonus, what you have to understand yet you avoid like the plague is that recognition is your biggest nightmare and with a constantly changing world your nightmare may just one day become reality, for now the reality of the TRNC is more than enough as the alternative an existence with GCs in command and us as a minority is unthinkable, we would rather make it official and unite with Turkey.

Not only the so called "trnc reality" is an illegal form by all international standards and by it’s own consitution as such, it is also a puppet administration to Turkey, heavily militarised by Turkey, and been used for constant and heavy collonisation. This adds another huge illegality to the already existing one.The "trnc reality" today houses less than half the original TCs and their decendents, whereas the settlers from Turkey are double to tripple as many. By everyones admission it is the settlers who gave you Eroglu as president, whereas the majority of real TCs did not vote for him…

This reality is much preferred to your the reality you have in your head for TCs, when will you and people like you understand that what you see as the extinction of TCs is in fact our survival, the alternative again is totally unacceptable.

It is very unfortunate that the life of the real TCs has been so much influenced by this very existence of the "trnc reality" to the point that plain innocent TC people cannot advance economically, got isolated from the whole world, cannot travel easily, cannot even receive mail from abroad unless it goes through Turkey…. It is even more unfortunate that they are unable to understand that the source of their problem is this "trnc reality" and whatever goes with it. They were even brainwashed to beleive their problem are the GCs themselves half of which are refugees and suffered the most from this ethnic cleansing and deprivation of their homes and lands…

Better a pauper in your own shack than a servant in a palace, the TRNC hower much you try to run it into the ground is our country and will not just go away because you want it to 37 years of banging your heads against a wall and you still dont understand that unless that we will only ever consider uniting under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, you are doomed to getting migraines.

The very existence of the illegal "trnc reality" is what causes ALL your problems and you know it damn well. Hiding behind stupid slogans invented by Denktash like "safe heaven" may still sell to some stupid people, and you are very clever to know that damn well VP. In fact these are all the weapons you use time and time again in this forum. Good luck.

Without the TRNC reality we would be just what we are when we visit the south foreigners, here we feel we belong and here we will stay unless you make us an offer that guarantees we belong in a unified Cyprus.

I am afraid this "trnc reality" is the one that will eventually wipe off all the real TCs from Cyprus. So it will end up housing all trashy Anatolian settlers.That would be bad for the TCs who in the end would just lose their country. It will be bad for the GCs too, but bear in mind that the GCs will have other options to chose when that time comes.

Better the "Anatolians" than the GCs...why is that so hard to understand? Have you heard of the population growth in the TRNC reality? all new generation TCs.

In my opinion the best you can do before is too late is just abolish this so called "trnc reality" and claim your rights in the Republic of Cyprus. And it will be too late if the number of the real TCs that are in Cyprus falls below 60K (from the currently 80K figure).

This is only possible if whats on offer is better than the reality we have today and so far what you have offers being the "RoC" which we can have tomorrow by moving south is a non starter as within a very short period of time you GCs cannot be trusted you would attempt with the help of the EU Akritas 2.

[Pyrpolizer]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

Well yes quite... only today Errogluey was claiming the Occupied Areas were secular, in contrast (as he claims) to the situation in the Free Areas.

The truth must be said my friend. The church is too powerful economically it even controls some media and some politicians.

Btw do you remember the promises that idiot the Archibishop gave before the Anan Plan? He said publicly he would build a house to every refugee girl who would vote no.

As if we needed him to tell us what to vote...