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[Expatkiwi]

Pragmatism from the Cyprus Mail?

A permanent partition
By Hermes Solomon Published on May 8, 2011

WHILE Western powers selectively liberate Arab states of long standing regimes, Cyprus remains occupied and divided.

Shouldn't we have accepted by now that our politicians will definitively fail to solve the Cyprob? Few if any chapters under discussion have been agreed during these past three years of talks, while the estimated 200,000 plus Anatolian settlers are now reinforcing perpetual stalemate.

As time goes by, the ‘TRNC’ continues importing settlers and building townships to house them; this can be verified at night from the rooftop of any tall building in Nicosia by the relentless increase in the number of hillside flickering lights.

Settler growth exploded immediately after the south rejected the Annan Plan, their No Vote acting as a green light to the ‘TRNC’ to develop beyond that infamous Kyrenia/Nicosia corridor, moving in to modernise Morphou, Famagusta and the Karpass Peninsula - new roads east and west of the capital, doubling the size of their civil service, piping water from Turkey by 2013 and undertaking major construction projects like marinas, universities, hotel/cabaret/casino complexes, etc. Anyone who visits the north regularly can't help but have noticed the many changes over this past seven years, accentuated by the exponential increase in the number of headscarves and mosques, visibly Islamising les lieux.

After the 1974 coup and invasion, 80,000 Turkish-speaking Cypriots were forcibly transferred from their enclaves in the south to join the 40,000 already north, while 160,000 Greek-speaking Cypriots were kicked south. By 24 April, 2004 (Annan Plan referenda day) 50,000 mainlanders had settled in the north and a third of the 120,000 Turkish Cypriots had emigrated, leaving a ratio of 5:8. Today that ratio is more like five settlers for every two Turkish Cypriots. If this is correct, what are we talking about in this latest round of talks, the eventual Turkification of ‘tous les lieux’ (the entire island)?

Both sides are being driven ever further apart by 'les actualités' - the 'real estate' of affairs on the ground - Turkey's stubborn non-observance of UN resolutions negating the basis for any talks at all. It seems ridiculous that the south even shows up for talks when Turkey refuses to recognise the Republic, and their pseudo-state maintains a politic aimed solely at permanent partition. Is partition not already permanent given the ‘TRNC’ refusal to conduct a population census?

Understand me, I'm not against settlers per se, but doubt the south would be prepared to absorb 200,000 given our present paranoia concerning asylum seekers, refugees and immigrant workers. It is one thing reunifying the two ethnicities, but quite another to welcome so many complete strangers.

Alexander Downer, the UN Secretary-General's Special Advisor on Cyprus, grows ruddier and plumper playing pointless host to our two leaders, who are as distantly divided in their aims and purposes as were Clerides and Denktash 35 years ago, although to be fair to Glafkos, he was at least prepared to accede to certain of Rauf's demands. Not that the south would have permitted any of those concessions at the time, eternally argumentative and disunited as we were then and still are, if recent pronouncements by EVROKO leader (Demetris Syllouris) to approve Turkey's EU accession in a referendum and not just by a parliamentary vote are taken seriously. And then, of course, there's Archbishop Chrysostomos and his meddling, undermining all.

Stop crying for yourself, Cyprus! You are permanently divided - two independent, not interdependent, states - one ruled from Turkey and the other from Brussels. Isn’t this what Turkey, the United Nations, Uncle Sam Cobbly and all sought and have maintained ever since that 1960 debacle called independence?

But no, the pretence continues and we refuse to let go! At this eleventh hour there’s talk of a Plan B for solving the Cyprob, one that probably inches boundaries disingenuously in an effort to be labelled new, exciting and conciliatory, yet in effect is just another form of partition. If a truly viable Plan B ever existed, we would have abandoned Plan A ages ago, albeit our president claiming he will never accept partition - empty words delivering him from accusations of failure or betrayal.

There is really only one question worth asking of the people of the Republic: are you for or against reunification given this present status quo? The response would probably mirror that of the Annan Plan No Vote, allowing politicians to blame the people for definitive partition - both sides only ever wanting to talk about reunification, not pay the economic and social cost, which has yet to be clearly defined by anyone.

Only talking about it cedes to what has always been the majority will on all sides, this keeping top dogs in pointless jobs, politicians, journalists and the media pointlessly verbose, banks and construction companies pointedly busy, and both ethnicities safely beyond the murderous reach of one another.

Oh, for double standards and the hypocrisy of it all!

[yialousa1971]

On 8 June 1949, the “Halkin Sesi” newspaper of the Turkish
minority reported that the British Acting Governor R.E.
Turnbull issued a circular, instructing the replacement of
the term “Muslims of Cyprus” (the term used by the British
Administration till then), with the term “Turkish Cypriots”.

[Expatkiwi]

"All Turks out of Cyprus! I'm Lana's friend ". Does this mean just the Turkish settlers, or are you including the Turkish Cypriots? Just wondering, yialousa1971...

[Pyrpolizer]

Pragmatism from the Cyprus Mail?

A permanent partition
By Hermes Solomon Published on May 8, 2011

WHILE Western powers selectively liberate Arab states of long standing regimes, Cyprus remains occupied and divided.

Shouldn't we have accepted by now that our politicians will definitively fail to solve the Cyprob? Few if any chapters under discussion have been agreed during these past three years of talks, while the estimated 200,000 plus Anatolian settlers are now reinforcing perpetual stalemate.

As time goes by, the ‘TRNC’ continues importing settlers and building townships to house them; this can be verified at night from the rooftop of any tall building in Nicosia by the relentless increase in the number of hillside flickering lights.

Settler growth exploded immediately after the south rejected the Annan Plan, their No Vote acting as a green light to the ‘TRNC’ to develop beyond that infamous Kyrenia/Nicosia corridor, moving in to modernise Morphou, Famagusta and the Karpass Peninsula - new roads east and west of the capital, doubling the size of their civil service, piping water from Turkey by 2013 and undertaking major construction projects like marinas, universities, hotel/cabaret/casino complexes, etc. Anyone who visits the north regularly can't help but have noticed the many changes over this past seven years, accentuated by the exponential increase in the number of headscarves and mosques, visibly Islamising les lieux.

After the 1974 coup and invasion, 80,000 Turkish-speaking Cypriots were forcibly transferred from their enclaves in the south to join the 40,000 already north, while 160,000 Greek-speaking Cypriots were kicked south. By 24 April, 2004 (Annan Plan referenda day) 50,000 mainlanders had settled in the north and a third of the 120,000 Turkish Cypriots had emigrated, leaving a ratio of 5:8. Today that ratio is more like five settlers for every two Turkish Cypriots. If this is correct, what are we talking about in this latest round of talks, the eventual Turkification of ‘tous les lieux’ (the entire island)?

Both sides are being driven ever further apart by 'les actualités' - the 'real estate' of affairs on the ground - Turkey's stubborn non-observance of UN resolutions negating the basis for any talks at all. It seems ridiculous that the south even shows up for talks when Turkey refuses to recognise the Republic, and their pseudo-state maintains a politic aimed solely at permanent partition. Is partition not already permanent given the ‘TRNC’ refusal to conduct a population census?

Understand me, I'm not against settlers per se, but doubt the south would be prepared to absorb 200,000 given our present paranoia concerning asylum seekers, refugees and immigrant workers. It is one thing reunifying the two ethnicities, but quite another to welcome so many complete strangers.

Alexander Downer, the UN Secretary-General's Special Advisor on Cyprus, grows ruddier and plumper playing pointless host to our two leaders, who are as distantly divided in their aims and purposes as were Clerides and Denktash 35 years ago, although to be fair to Glafkos, he was at least prepared to accede to certain of Rauf's demands. Not that the south would have permitted any of those concessions at the time, eternally argumentative and disunited as we were then and still are, if recent pronouncements by EVROKO leader (Demetris Syllouris) to approve Turkey's EU accession in a referendum and not just by a parliamentary vote are taken seriously. And then, of course, there's Archbishop Chrysostomos and his meddling, undermining all.

Stop crying for yourself, Cyprus! You are permanently divided - two independent, not interdependent, states - one ruled from Turkey and the other from Brussels. Isn’t this what Turkey, the United Nations, Uncle Sam Cobbly and all sought and have maintained ever since that 1960 debacle called independence?

But no, the pretence continues and we refuse to let go! At this eleventh hour there’s talk of a Plan B for solving the Cyprob, one that probably inches boundaries disingenuously in an effort to be labelled new, exciting and conciliatory, yet in effect is just another form of partition. If a truly viable Plan B ever existed, we would have abandoned Plan A ages ago, albeit our president claiming he will never accept partition - empty words delivering him from accusations of failure or betrayal.

There is really only one question worth asking of the people of the Republic: are you for or against reunification given this present status quo? The response would probably mirror that of the Annan Plan No Vote, allowing politicians to blame the people for definitive partition - both sides only ever wanting to talk about reunification, not pay the economic and social cost, which has yet to be clearly defined by anyone.

Only talking about it cedes to what has always been the majority will on all sides, this keeping top dogs in pointless jobs, politicians, journalists and the media pointlessly verbose, banks and construction companies pointedly busy, and both ethnicities safely beyond the murderous reach of one another.

Oh, for double standards and the hypocrisy of it all!

Are you posting this because you are worrying that your dream for a truly independent "trnc" for the TCs is at stake?

Regardless, everybody knows Ankara holds the key for a solution. She always did. I don't know why all those journalists accuse the leaders for not finding a solution... None of the 2 Cypriot communities is strong enough to take the key from Turkey

And in fact it is obvious that Turkey has her own plan to finalize the Cyprus issue by first replacing all real TCs with settlers and then whatever comes first which might be a)her EU accession on exchange of Cyprus with a million settlers or b)partition on exchange of land or c)annexing the occupied and driving her own way East

I am sure that they as usual have made huge mistakes in their calculations, and they will surely stumble somewhere, nevertheless the mess they would have already created would still be there as another new problem....

[Expatkiwi]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

[B25]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

Bollocks, we all know what your views are, you have made them abundantly clear. You are totally pro TC and anti GC. Outsider my backside.

So you have returned to spout shit again huh? Whats up, cartoons drying up???

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

Bollocks, we all know what your views are, you have made them abundantly clear. You are totally pro TC and anti GC. Outsider my backside.

So you have returned to spout shit again huh? Whats up, cartoons drying up???

Just like Kikapu.

[B25]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

Bollocks, we all know what your views are, you have made them abundantly clear. You are totally pro TC and anti GC. Outsider my backside.

So you have returned to spout shit again huh? Whats up, cartoons drying up???

Just like Kikapu.

Kikapu is a true TC, he seeks justice for all, unlike this little prick again who just wants what you want, partition, just to 'teach us a lesson'.

He his neither TC nor GC does not live on the Island, yet has become expert in TC/GC relations. He writes BS on Wikip and claims it to be truthful and accurate, what a dick.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

Bollocks, we all know what your views are, you have made them abundantly clear. You are totally pro TC and anti GC. Outsider my backside.

So you have returned to spout shit again huh? Whats up, cartoons drying up???

Just like Kikapu.

Kikapu is a true TC, he seeks justice for all, unlike this little prick again who just wants what you want, partition, just to 'teach us a lesson'.

He his neither TC nor GC does not live on the Island, yet has become expert in TC/GC relations. He writes BS on Wikip and claims it to be truthful and accurate, what a dick.

Thats exactly how we see Kikapu.

[quattro]

Pyrpolizer, considering that the TC's would be overwhelmed by Mainland Turkey should the north be annexed, and that the TC's would almost certainly be hounded out of the island should Cyprus reunify (and that's a certainty, given the Greeks' inbred sense of vindictiveness), the establishment of an independent Turkish Cypriot country is the only decent solution IMHO. As I have neither Greek or Turkish blood in me, I think I can look at this issue rather more clearly than you do. You may think me at best tragically misguided (or at worst an apostle of evil), but I have to be honest here.

Bollocks, we all know what your views are, you have made them abundantly clear. You are totally pro TC and anti GC. Outsider my backside.

So you have returned to spout shit again huh? Whats up, cartoons drying up???

Just like Kikapu.

Kikapu is a true TC, he seeks justice for all, unlike this little prick again who just wants what you want, partition, just to 'teach us a lesson'.

He his neither TC nor GC does not live on the Island, yet has become expert in TC/GC relations. He writes BS on Wikip and claims it to be truthful and accurate, what a dick.

Thats exactly how we see Kikapu.

Go and check your eyes and your soul VP
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