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[Pyrpolizer]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

I am sorry but it is not the same. Look at my reply to Insan about the 50s.

Bear in mind that every group even a minority group wants to secure as many rights as possible. It may not be totally democratic but that's how "democracy" works today.

To put it in simple terms the Tcs TODAY are in a position to claim rights that extend upto a BBF arrangement. It doesn't mean the BBF is undemocratic, but it certainly is much more than a minority status.

The differences and the clashing between groups get normalized with the passing of time. If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Similar normalizing will happen over time if we work out a BBF agreement today.

[insan]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Just like Cretan and Rhodesian Turks i guess...

[CBBB]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Just like Cretan and Rhodesian Turks i guess...

Bloody hell, the buggers got as far as Zimbabwe?

So Mugabe is a Turk? It figures!

[insan]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Just like Cretan and Rhodesian Turks i guess...

Bloody hell, the buggers got as far as Zimbabwe?

So Mugabe is a Turk? It figures!

Who? Cretans?

Around the year 690 B.C., the Rhodesians and the Cretans founded Gela, using the production and the selling of their wines to created opulence and wealth in...

www.aoweb.com/gwlalumia.html

[denizaksulu]

Rodian, Rodiots?

[Piratis]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

I am sorry but it is not the same. Look at my reply to Insan about the 50s.

Bear in mind that every group even a minority group wants to secure as many rights as possible. It may not be totally democratic but that's how "democracy" works today.

To put it in simple terms the Tcs TODAY are in a position to claim rights that extend upto a BBF arrangement. It doesn't mean the BBF is undemocratic, but it certainly is much more than a minority status.

The differences and the clashing between groups get normalized with the passing of time. If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Similar normalizing will happen over time if we work out a BBF agreement today.

The TCs have always been greedy claiming much more than what they deserved. The same they do now. BBF will never happen. Claiming something is one thing, getting it is another.

[denizaksulu]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

I am sorry but it is not the same. Look at my reply to Insan about the 50s.

Bear in mind that every group even a minority group wants to secure as many rights as possible. It may not be totally democratic but that's how "democracy" works today.

To put it in simple terms the Tcs TODAY are in a position to claim rights that extend upto a BBF arrangement. It doesn't mean the BBF is undemocratic, but it certainly is much more than a minority status.

The differences and the clashing between groups get normalized with the passing of time. If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Similar normalizing will happen over time if we work out a BBF agreement today.

The TCs have always been greedy claiming much more than what they deserved. The same they do now. BBF will never happen. Claiming something is one thing, getting it is another.

Some TCs wanted only half. You wanted all of it. Get it? Now tell me who is greedy. If you dont want to share, then..................

[Pyrpolizer]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Just like Cretan and Rhodesian Turks i guess...

I REPEAT: If there was no Enosis-Taksim issue....

What happened In Crete was actually a result of their own Enosis, and the population Exchange agreement with Ataturk. Exactly the same happened to the minority of Greeks living in Turkey.
In Rhodes (I think the correct term is Rhodian Turks) nothing happened to the turkish minority which in fact receives preferential treatment in government jobs up until today.

I don't think there would be any valid reason whatsoever for the Turkish minority in Cyprus to evolve any differently than the other minorities.

[Pyrpolizer]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

I am sorry but it is not the same. Look at my reply to Insan about the 50s.

Bear in mind that every group even a minority group wants to secure as many rights as possible. It may not be totally democratic but that's how "democracy" works today.

To put it in simple terms the Tcs TODAY are in a position to claim rights that extend upto a BBF arrangement. It doesn't mean the BBF is undemocratic, but it certainly is much more than a minority status.

The differences and the clashing between groups get normalized with the passing of time. If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Similar normalizing will happen over time if we work out a BBF agreement today.

The TCs have always been greedy claiming much more than what they deserved. The same they do now. BBF will never happen. Claiming something is one thing, getting it is another.

As you know not only they claimed a BBF solution but we also accepted. So they can get it any time they want. Perhaps you should ask yourself the question if they can play with time as well now that they have the BBF in their pockets.

[CBBB]

However; according to GC leadership and Hellenic ultra nationalists, "the invader Ottoman remnants" would either have to accept minority status or be harrased, killed, forced to leave "The Greek island" Cyprus...

And why should the TCs, who are less than a 5th of the population, have even more than minority rights? I remind you that minority rights are rights which are over and above the individual human rights that all citizens have.

Are you saying that the majorities of all countries which have ethnic/religious/linguistic minorities (practically all), and which are not based on the so called "consociational democracy" (practically none is) are "ultra nationalists"?

At least you admit that the TC would not have accepted a normal democracy in Cyprus and that they would seek to maintain the racist divisions imposed since Ottoman rule, regardless if our aim was enosis or an independent Cyprus with a real, one person one vote, democracy.

are you talking for what the situation should have been in the 50s or today?

I am talking about how the situation was in the 50s, but the same is true for today.

I am sorry but it is not the same. Look at my reply to Insan about the 50s.

Bear in mind that every group even a minority group wants to secure as many rights as possible. It may not be totally democratic but that's how "democracy" works today.

To put it in simple terms the Tcs TODAY are in a position to claim rights that extend upto a BBF arrangement. It doesn't mean the BBF is undemocratic, but it certainly is much more than a minority status.

The differences and the clashing between groups get normalized with the passing of time. If there was no Enosis-Taksim in the 50s and the TCs have accepted a minority status to survive, they would today be a very happy and prosperus community.

Similar normalizing will happen over time if we work out a BBF agreement today.

The TCs have always been greedy claiming much more than what they deserved. The same they do now. BBF will never happen. Claiming something is one thing, getting it is another.

We have already agreed to a BBF solution and they can get it any time they want.

How do you come to that conclusion? As all the GC politicians keep saying, it depends on the type of BBF.