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[ZoC]

Thank you VP for letting us know what is wrtten on the Kimlik karti of your so called "trnc reality"

Now let’s see the other realities:
Your so called "trnc" is nothing but an illegal state based on theft of homes, lands, and propertries of GCs. The area on which it lies belongs by 90%+ to GCs. It is a product of invasion occupation and ethnic cleansing 37% of the area of the Republic of Cyprus. You can’t have a state based on someone elses lands and properties to start with.

Nobody will ever recognise it, because recognising it means accepting it as a perfectly legal and equal entity.By doing that, it is like blowing up the foundations of law and justice of the country that would do so. The best any country can do for the so called "trnc reality", is just turn a blind eye as long as they are not affected. In other words as long as the "trnc reality" stews in it’s own juice everything is fine. By the minute it tries to export it’s illegalities to the outside world like for example sell stolen properties to foreigners there waits the foreign justice and the affected GCs to strike. The "trnc reality" will always be like a snake hit on the head and hiding back to it’s hole.

Not only the so called "trnc reality" is an illegal form by all international standards and by it’s own consitution as such, it is also a puppet administration to Turkey, heavily militarised by Turkey, and been used for constant and heavy collonisation. This adds another huge illegality to the already existing one.The "trnc reality" today houses less than half the original TCs and their decendents, whereas the settlers from Turkey are double to tripple as many. By everyones admission it is the settlers who gave you Eroglu as president, whereas the majority of real TCs did not vote for him…

It is very unfortunate that the life of the real TCs has been so much influenced by this very existence of the "trnc reality" to the point that plain innocent TC people cannot advance economically, got isolated from the whole world, cannot travel easily, cannot even receive mail from abroad unless it goes through Turkey…. It is even more unfortunate that they are unable to understand that the source of their problem is this "trnc reality" and whatever goes with it. They were even brainwashed to beleive their problem are the GCs themselves half of which are refugees and suffered the most from this ethnic cleansing and deprivation of their homes and lands…

The very existence of the illegal "trnc reality" is what causes ALL your problems and you know it damn well. Hiding behind stupid slogans invented by Denktash like "safe heaven" may still sell to some stupid people, and you are very clever to know that damn well VP. In fact these are all the weapons you use time and time again in this forum. Good luck.

I am afraid this "trnc reality" is the one that will eventually wipe off all the real TCs from Cyprus. So it will end up housing all trashy Anatolian settlers.That would be bad for the TCs who in the end would just lose their country. It will be bad for the GCs too, but bear in mind that the GCs will have other options to chose when that time comes.

In my opinion the best you can do before is too late is just abolish this so called "trnc reality" and claim your rights in the Republic of Cyprus. And it will be too late if the number of the real TCs that are in Cyprus falls below 60K (from the currently 80K figure).

vp: yes, wotever, dude.... festering in a latrine, being shat on by turkey and wallowing in our own muck is 1.35 trillion times better than living in a civilised eu democracy.... err, sorry... i mean, accepting minority status in a gc dominated state.

[quattro]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

Well yes quite... only today Errogluey was claiming the Occupied Areas were secular, in contrast (as he claims) to the situation in the Free Areas.

to BillC The Lurucadi says Elhamdullilah rabbin alemin

Kurani Kerim

[yorgozlu]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

Well yes quite... only today Errogluey was claiming the Occupied Areas were secular, in contrast (as he claims) to the situation in the Free Areas.

to BillC The Lurucadi says Elhamdullilah rabbin alemin

Kurani Kerim

Now now quattro,if you've started reading kuran......whats next?

Maybe I should go get a bible.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrpolizer we have had our differences in the past and we do not have to agree on anything thats whats makes the reality invaluable....I think you are clever enough to understand.

Your so called "trnc" is nothing but an illegal state based on theft of homes, lands, and propertries of GCs. The area on which it lies belongs by 90%+ to GCs. It is a product of invasion occupation and ethnic cleansing 37% of the area of the Republic of Cyprus. You can’t have a state based on someone elses lands and properties to start with.

Examples; USA, Australia Taiwan and Israel.

There was no legal state in USA or Australia.Taiwan is a totally different issue, of who rules, not who resides. Israel is the baby of the USA, you are the baby of the beggar of the USA

Nobody will ever recognise it, because recognising it means accepting it as a perfectly legal and equal entity.By doing that, it is like blowing up the foundations of law and justice of the country that would do so. The best any country can do for the so called "trnc reality", is just turn a blind eye as long as they are not affected. In other words as long as the "trnc reality" stews in it’s own juice everything is fine. By the minute it tries to export it’s illegalities to the outside world like for example sell stolen properties to foreigners there waits the foreign justice and the affected GCs to strike. The "trnc reality" will always be like a snake hit on the head and hiding back to it’s hole.

The TRNC reality is the prize anything else is a bonus, what you have to understand yet you avoid like the plague is that recognition is your biggest nightmare and with a constantly changing world your nightmare may just one day become reality, for now the reality of the TRNC is more than enough as the alternative an existence with GCs in command and us as a minority is unthinkable, we would rather make it official and unite with Turkey.

.The prize of what? Illegal invasion and occupation? No wonder you can't cash it... Why don't you make it official and unite with Turkey then? No recognition is not our nightmare now that we are in the EU. In fact a couple of countries already recognised you Pakistan I think and Azerbaijan.Of course there may come a doomsday and the whole world turns upside down, then we might have the balance of power and Piratis dreams come true. Until then you and me will be sleeping eternal sleep.

Not only the so called "trnc reality" is an illegal form by all international standards and by it’s own consitution as such, it is also a puppet administration to Turkey, heavily militarised by Turkey, and been used for constant and heavy collonisation. This adds another huge illegality to the already existing one.The "trnc reality" today houses less than half the original TCs and their decendents, whereas the settlers from Turkey are double to tripple as many. By everyones admission it is the settlers who gave you Eroglu as president, whereas the majority of real TCs did not vote for him…

This reality is much preferred to your the reality you have in your head for TCs, when will you and people like you understand that what you see as the extinction of TCs is in fact our survival, the alternative again is totally unacceptable.

If you think by abandoning Cyprus and be replaced by settlers is your survival then what can i say?

It is very unfortunate that the life of the real TCs has been so much influenced by this very existence of the "trnc reality" to the point that plain innocent TC people cannot advance economically, got isolated from the whole world, cannot travel easily, cannot even receive mail from abroad unless it goes through Turkey…. It is even more unfortunate that they are unable to understand that the source of their problem is this "trnc reality" and whatever goes with it. They were even brainwashed to beleive their problem are the GCs themselves half of which are refugees and suffered the most from this ethnic cleansing and deprivation of their homes and lands…

Better a pauper in your own shack than a servant in a palace, the TRNC hower much you try to run it into the ground is our country and will not just go away because you want it to 37 years of banging your heads against a wall and you still dont understand that unless that we will only ever consider uniting under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, you are doomed to getting migraines.

Do you feel so much inferior and incompetent that you have to be like a servant in a palace? How about claiming your own equal rights?The BBF will not be 2 states but 2 administered areas. Any other concept and racial discrimination like the Anan Plan will not be accepted. We will not accept anything less than a strong Federation like Germany or USA. The political equality is still limited to the states there is no numerical equality, see the relevant UN documents.
For 30 years you had Denktash having you locked up in your jail, and it is true we were banging our heads on a wall, because most GCs wanted a solution then. Then what did you see us rolling on the floor to get a solution that we wouldn't like? Haven't you learned your lesson from the 76% OXI? And OXI will be until you realise that you can't have more than what you deserve. People like you who think we are going to donate them a Turkish state, with Turkish settlers are simply dreaming.

The very existence of the illegal "trnc reality" is what causes ALL your problems and you know it damn well. Hiding behind stupid slogans invented by Denktash like "safe heaven" may still sell to some stupid people, and you are very clever to know that damn well VP. In fact these are all the weapons you use time and time again in this forum. Good luck.

Without the TRNC reality we would be just what we are when we visit the south foreigners, here we feel we belong anstay d here we will unless you make us an offer that guarantees we belong in a unified Cyprus.

You are contradicting yourself here but anyway.
Don't answer to me, i m no longer interested in personal matters, just answer to yourself how much foreigner you felt after you came to cyprus. Without the "trnc" you would not feel a foreigner, you would feel like every other Cypriot.Even Romanians feel like Cypriots after one year of stay.Its a matter of getting used to it. With the "trnc reality" you just pile up your problems, and get used to living with the trashy settlers. If you like it then continue.

I am afraid this "trnc reality" is the one that will eventually wipe off all the real TCs from Cyprus. So it will end up housing all trashy Anatolian settlers.That would be bad for the TCs who in the end would just lose their country. It will be bad for the GCs too, but bear in mind that the GCs will have other options to chose when that time comes.

Better the "Anatolians" than the GCs...why is that so hard to understand? Have you heard of the population growth in the TRNC reality? all new generation TCs.

Anyone who does not hold an RoC identity card, or cannot get one, is not a TC. It is a settler. Call it whatever you like, call them new cypriots like you already do, as long as they don't get our approval they are nothing. Next census will be under UN supervision, i would not boast so much for my new cypriots if i were you. And like I said the diminishing of the real TC population and the boosting of the population of settlers should actually worry you more than us. For us the problem will evolve to pure collonisation without any need for agreement with any TCS.So when exactly are you going to have all settlers for President and MPs?
All roots traceable back to Turkey? LOL

In my opinion the best you can do before is too late is just abolish this so called "trnc reality" and claim your rights in the Republic of Cyprus. And it will be too late if the number of the real TCs that are in Cyprus falls below 60K (from the currently 80K figure).

This is only possible if whats on offer is better than the reality we have today and so far what you have offers being the "RoC" which we can have tomorrow by moving south is a non starter as within a very short period of time you GCs cannot be trusted you would attempt with the help of the EU Akritas 2.

There is nothing on offer. It's upto you to get you rights back.

[bill cobbett]

Doesn't even know 90% of the TCs are atheists.For 30+ years not even one TC imam on the air....

Well yes quite... only today Errogluey was claiming the Occupied Areas were secular, in contrast (as he claims) to the situation in the Free Areas.

to BillC The Lurucadi says Elhamdullilah rabbin alemin

Kurani Kerim

Now now quattro,if you've started reading kuran......whats next?

Maybe I should go get a bible.

Speaking of Holy Books... Reh Quattro ... tell the Luruciginian ...

Exodus Ch 22 vv 1-19

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer do you understand that we perfect examples of why there will never be a solution?

There was no legal state in USA or Australia.Taiwan is a totally different issue, of who rules, not who resides. Israel is the baby of the USA, you are the baby of the beggar of the USA

These are just a few examples of how things can develop, the big nations will do almost anything for their own benefit and they may just one day say recognition, who would of said the AP would have appeared, nothing is impossible, remember you Gcs never thought Turkey would arrive or that we could divide the island.

The prize of what? Illegal invasion and occupation? No wonder you can't cash it... Why don't you make it official and unite with Turkey then? No recognition is not our nightmare now that we are in the EU. In fact a couple of countries already recognised you Pakistan I think and Azerbaijan.Of course there may come a doomsday and the whole world turns upside down, then we might have the balance of power and Piratis dreams come true. Until then you and me will be sleeping eternal sleep.

The reality of the TRNC is our prize the fact that we have our own state albeit unrecognized where we no longer have to be dominated by GCs like the past. Anything that will develop is a bonus for us never forget where we came from enclaves to a state, who knows we are here for the long haul so as the world understands that there is no solution and that our differences will never be bridged a relaxation of the isolation will happen followed by a return of your worst nightmare.

If you think by abandoning Cyprus and be replaced by settlers is your survival then what can i say?

Its called assimilation you should know about that.....rather them than you.

Do you feel so much inferior and incompetent that you have to be like a servant in a palace? How about claiming your own equal rights?The BBF will not be 2 states but 2 administered areas. Any other concept and racial discrimination like the Anan Plan will not be accepted. We will not accept anything less than a strong Federation like Germany or USA. The political equality is still limited to the states there is no numerical equality, see the relevant UN documents.
For 30 years you had Denktash having you locked up in your jail, and it is true we were banging our heads on a wall, because most GCs wanted a solution then. Then what did you see us rolling on the floor to get a solution that we wouldn't like? Haven't you learned your lesson from the 76% OXI? And OXI will be until you realise that you can't have more than what you deserve. People like you who think we are going to donate them a Turkish state, with Turkish settlers are simply dreaming.

Its states two constituent states in all the UN documentation and leader declarations, why do you have such an allergy to the word state? There will be states under a federal structure where the TCs will administer the north and the GCs the south.

You totally misunderstand the analogy we want to be equals and seeing that we cannot trust each other one iota thats why why we support BBF with political equality of the two states, to guarantee we are not servants in a Palace, now do you understand?

OXI = no solution = whats changed = nothing = world acknowledges there will never be a solution = recognition.

As for the settlers we have agreed that the majority will return.

You are contradicting yourself here but anyway.
Don't answer to me, i m no longer interested in personal matters, just answer to yourself how much foreigner you felt after you came to cyprus. Without the "trnc" you would not feel a foreigner, you would feel like every other Cypriot.Even Romanians feel like Cypriots after one year of stay.Its a matter of getting used to it. With the "trnc reality" you just pile up your problems, and get used to living with the trashy settlers. If you like it then continue.

Poly all I know is the TRNC, its home with all its faults but which country hasnt got faults they all have. It home and where we feel we belong. The south is a foreign land to the majority of TCs where people speak a different language and preach a different religion and you can sense the mistrust between people from the two sides. 1974 changed everything forever we will never live mixed as we were in the past thats why a two state BBF solution is the only way forward. Your idea that we will feel Cypriots need many many years to develop, ı was born and raised in the UK but I never felt English or British just a Turkish Cypriot residing in the UK.

Anyone who does not hold an RoC identity card, or cannot get one, is not a TC. It is a settler. Call it whatever you like, call them new cypriots like you already do, as long as they don't get our approval they are nothing. Next census will be under UN supervision, i would not boast so much for my new cypriots if i were you. And like I said the diminishing of the real TC population and the boosting of the population of settlers should actually worry you more than us. For us the problem will evolve to pure collonisation without any need for agreement with any TCS.So when exactly are you going to have all settlers for President and MPs?
All roots traceable back to Turkey? LOL

Without a solution what you state above is meaningless, in 100 years and a few more generations no one will be able to tell the difference plus how will you send back "setters" without a solution or whos grandparents parents and themselves were born and raised in Cyprus????

There is nothing on offer. It's upto you to get you rights back.

In their current form you can keep them where the sun dont shine we dont want them clearly illustrated by the fact that we do not take up the offer by moving south tomorrow.

[humanist]

Perhaps the Church should offer to re-build the homes of those TC's who were living in the free areas pre 1974 and help them move from the oppression Turkey has placed them under

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps the Church should offer to re-build the homes of those TC's who were living in the free areas pre 1974 and help them move from the oppression Turkey has placed them under

No one will move back they will probably want to sell them off as the south is a foreign land for TCs.

[DT.]

Pyrpolizer do you understand that we perfect examples of why there will never be a solution?

There was no legal state in USA or Australia.Taiwan is a totally different issue, of who rules, not who resides. Israel is the baby of the USA, you are the baby of the beggar of the USA

These are just a few examples of how things can develop, the big nations will do almost anything for their own benefit and they may just one day say recognition, who would of said the AP would have appeared, nothing is impossible, remember you Gcs never thought Turkey would arrive or that we could divide the island.


tomorrow.

For those GC supporters of the AP and for those tcs who pride themselves of how much they sacrificed by voting yes in the AP. Here from a partitionists keyboard you can finally get a real sense that the AP is rated up there with recognition or partition. Who would have said that something as lop sided as the AP that gave Turkey a veto right over all of Cyprus and reduced the Cypriot govt to a philanthropical institute of a 6month rotating committee of GCs and tc's. Just in case the lack of a strong central govt can ever be partially replaced by a strong presidential personality representing unity of Cyprus.

Who would have though the world would have given us (the tc's) the AP........never a truer word spoken from. Vp.

[yorgozlu]

Any of you out there that has gone through divorcing/separeting would/should understand this!With kid/s!

It's all fine(you think)to go and see your kids once a week(example),take them out to mc donalds,shopping,parks,spending a weekend with you.......etc.Then at the end of the day return them back to mothers/ex wife's house and return back home with a big grin in your face,being pleased with yourself for being able/allowed to spend some time with your kids.

Keep kidding yourselves.Has ony of you ever even thought of asking how those 'kids' think/feel?How much they are longing to see their parents united,back toghether under one roof........like it used to be??

My 2 went and bought a recordable alarm clock and recorded,'wakey wakey daddy,rise and shine'!!!

welcome to Cyprus.