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Postby Piratis » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:22 pm

The Annan plan would officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and at the same time would downgrade us to just a "community" who would not be able to take any democratic decisions for our own island and would depend on the TC minority, whose leadership would in turn continue to be remotely controlled by Turkey and serve the Turkish interests (as it always did). This means that the Turkish aim of partition would be achieved, all the problems of TCs and Turkey would be solved and the Cyprus Problem would be closed in a way that violates the most basic human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

We naturally rejected the Annan plan and instead of the dissolution and the downgrade that this plan would bring we instead maintained our state and sovereignty rights over the whole island, while upgrading ourselves by becoming EU members and in this way making the Cyprus Problem a bigger problem to Turkey than it has ever been before.

The Annan plan was designed to solve the foreseen problems for Turkey, and not the problems that the illegal occupation creates to the Cypriot people. It is no coincidence that this plan was brought to us just days before our EU accession. Fortunately we didn't fall in that trap.

Some Bananiots would have us believe that we would supposedly regret that we rejected that dreadful plan. Seven years after and the only ones who are sad that this plan was not accepted remain those who supported this plan in 2004 (i.e. not the vast majority of Cypriots).
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Postby kurupetos » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:28 pm

The only sad part about rejecting the Annan Plan is the fact only 76% said No.
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Postby yorgozlu » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:31 pm

ZoC wrote:
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Sotos wrote:Fortunately it is a "sad anniversary" for the Turks and not for us!


More 'sad' that 'you' feel that way.


yes but 'you' would say 'that'.


Why would 'I' just say 'that'?Do 'you' not wish to see the island as 1 piece again?
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Postby ZoC » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:36 pm

yorgozlu wrote:
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Sotos wrote:Fortunately it is a "sad anniversary" for the Turks and not for us!


More 'sad' that 'you' feel that way.


yes but 'you' would say 'that'.


Why would 'I' just say 'that'?Do 'you' not wish to see the island as 1 piece again?


:lol: one piece.... not 'one' piece.
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Postby Cap » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:32 pm

Piratis wrote:The Annan plan would officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and at the same time would downgrade us to just a "community" who would not be able to take any democratic decisions for our own island and would depend on the TC minority, whose leadership would in turn continue to be remotely controlled by Turkey and serve the Turkish interests (as it always did). This means that the Turkish aim of partition would be achieved, all the problems of TCs and Turkey would be solved and the Cyprus Problem would be closed in a way that violates the most basic human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

We naturally rejected the Annan plan and instead of the dissolution and the downgrade that this plan would bring we instead maintained our state and sovereignty rights over the whole island, while upgrading ourselves by becoming EU members and in this way making the Cyprus Problem a bigger problem to Turkey than it has ever been before.

The Annan plan was designed to solve the foreseen problems for Turkey, and not the problems that the illegal occupation creates to the Cypriot people. It is no coincidence that this plan was brought to us just days before our EU accession. Fortunately we didn't fall in that trap.

Some Bananiots would have us believe that we would supposedly regret that we rejected that dreadful plan. Seven years after and the only ones who are sad that this plan was not accepted remain those who supported this plan in 2004 (i.e. not the vast majority of Cypriots).


Well said Piratis.
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Postby yorgozlu » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:51 pm

Piratis wrote:The Annan plan would officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and at the same time would downgrade us to just a "community" who would not be able to take any democratic decisions for our own island and would depend on the TC minority, whose leadership would in turn continue to be remotely controlled by Turkey and serve the Turkish interests (as it always did). This means that the Turkish aim of partition would be achieved, all the problems of TCs and Turkey would be solved and the Cyprus Problem would be closed in a way that violates the most basic human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

We naturally rejected the Annan plan and instead of the dissolution and the downgrade that this plan would bring we instead maintained our state and sovereignty rights over the whole island, while upgrading ourselves by becoming EU members and in this way making the Cyprus Problem a bigger problem to Turkey than it has ever been before.

The Annan plan was designed to solve the foreseen problems for Turkey, and not the problems that the illegal occupation creates to the Cypriot people. It is no coincidence that this plan was brought to us just days before our EU accession. Fortunately we didn't fall in that trap.

Some Bananiots would have us believe that we would supposedly regret that we rejected that dreadful plan. Seven years after and the only ones who are sad that this plan was not accepted remain those who supported this plan in 2004 (i.e. not the vast majority of Cypriots).


Thats fair enough.But,you cannot deny the fact that,had the plan been more suitable for greek speaking Cypriots ....................who knows where we'd have all been today.You didn't,hence north/south,Greeks/Turks. :(
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Postby Piratis » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:19 pm

yorgozlu wrote:
Piratis wrote:The Annan plan would officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and at the same time would downgrade us to just a "community" who would not be able to take any democratic decisions for our own island and would depend on the TC minority, whose leadership would in turn continue to be remotely controlled by Turkey and serve the Turkish interests (as it always did). This means that the Turkish aim of partition would be achieved, all the problems of TCs and Turkey would be solved and the Cyprus Problem would be closed in a way that violates the most basic human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

We naturally rejected the Annan plan and instead of the dissolution and the downgrade that this plan would bring we instead maintained our state and sovereignty rights over the whole island, while upgrading ourselves by becoming EU members and in this way making the Cyprus Problem a bigger problem to Turkey than it has ever been before.

The Annan plan was designed to solve the foreseen problems for Turkey, and not the problems that the illegal occupation creates to the Cypriot people. It is no coincidence that this plan was brought to us just days before our EU accession. Fortunately we didn't fall in that trap.

Some Bananiots would have us believe that we would supposedly regret that we rejected that dreadful plan. Seven years after and the only ones who are sad that this plan was not accepted remain those who supported this plan in 2004 (i.e. not the vast majority of Cypriots).


Thats fair enough.But,you cannot deny the fact that,had the plan been more suitable for greek speaking Cypriots ....................who knows where we'd have all been today.You didn't,hence north/south,Greeks/Turks. :(


If the plan was a fair one that would create a truly united and democratic Cyprus with equal Cypriots and with the human rights of all citizens respected, then such plan would obviously be accepted by us.

The Annan plan would maintain, and possibly intensify, the north/south, Greeks/Turks issue, since it was based on the racist discrimination and forceful segregation of the Cypriot people.

While I accept that as a minority the TC community might need certain safeguards, I do not see how something which would divide land and people in such a racist way can be seen as a solution to the divisions and the problems of our island.
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Postby yorgozlu » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:05 pm

Piratis wrote:
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Piratis wrote:The Annan plan would officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and at the same time would downgrade us to just a "community" who would not be able to take any democratic decisions for our own island and would depend on the TC minority, whose leadership would in turn continue to be remotely controlled by Turkey and serve the Turkish interests (as it always did). This means that the Turkish aim of partition would be achieved, all the problems of TCs and Turkey would be solved and the Cyprus Problem would be closed in a way that violates the most basic human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

We naturally rejected the Annan plan and instead of the dissolution and the downgrade that this plan would bring we instead maintained our state and sovereignty rights over the whole island, while upgrading ourselves by becoming EU members and in this way making the Cyprus Problem a bigger problem to Turkey than it has ever been before.

The Annan plan was designed to solve the foreseen problems for Turkey, and not the problems that the illegal occupation creates to the Cypriot people. It is no coincidence that this plan was brought to us just days before our EU accession. Fortunately we didn't fall in that trap.

Some Bananiots would have us believe that we would supposedly regret that we rejected that dreadful plan. Seven years after and the only ones who are sad that this plan was not accepted remain those who supported this plan in 2004 (i.e. not the vast majority of Cypriots).


Thats fair enough.But,you cannot deny the fact that,had the plan been more suitable for greek speaking Cypriots ....................who knows where we'd have all been today.You didn't,hence north/south,Greeks/Turks. :(


If the plan was a fair one that would create a truly united and democratic Cyprus with equal Cypriots and with the human rights of all citizens respected, then such plan would obviously be accepted by us.

The Annan plan would maintain, and possibly intensify, the north/south, Greeks/Turks issue, since it was based on the racist discrimination and forceful segregation of the Cypriot people.

While I accept that as a minority the TC community might need certain safeguards, I do not see how something which would divide land and people in such a racist way can be seen as a solution to the divisions and the problems of our island.


Going round circles is not going to change anything.
Another plan,another referandum has to be the way forward.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:16 pm

3 years and no result...this could on for another 20 and still there would be nothing. Only way a plan can be produced is according to a time table otherwise its more of the same...which is no solution.
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Postby yorgozlu » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:19 pm

Viewpoint wrote:3 years and no result...this could on for another 20 and still there would be nothing. Only way a plan can be produced is according to a time table otherwise its more of the same...which is no solution.



There has to be a solution before all TCs are gone from Cyprus.Unles thats the plan.
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