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[supporttheunderdog]

In a nutshell Greece was wholly responsible for events that engulfed Cyprus after the military coup. The root of all evil , an ideologically bankrupt nation adversely influencing equally ideologically bankrupt Cypriots who to this day fail to recognize the right of the Cypriot people to their true national identity , that identity is none other than the Cypriot identity.
Miltiadis could not have put it better himself !!

Only there's a little thing that Turkey committed as well. Ethnic cleansing, atrocities and occupation.

absolutely , no one is denying that Turkey having been given the excuse to invade proceeded to achieve it's long standing plan to divide the island
and cause so much turmoil and destruction . She was given the go ahead by events created by the junta and by those amongst us who without knowing it are the enemies of Cyprus . I just can not understand why this Greece - Cyprus connection , and it is only a connection , should adversely interfere with the destiny of the nation of Cyprus. As a fiercely proud Cypriot never wavering from declaring that I'm a Cypriot I find it hard to comprehend the insatiable need that some have for Greece !!

I like your style! People like Piratis, Youlooser and the Spartan Gamers of this world have all contributed to the current mess by failing to recognise that (at least since 1955) Turkey was never, for its own Geo-political reasons, going to tolerate Enosis and by keeping up the calls for Enosis they give justification of some sort (if only self justification for their own Geo-political reasons) they need to maintain the status quo of invasion and de facto partition. The invasion was a natural consequence of events that flowed from the first satanic a-plan - the Acritas Plan.

[DT.]

In a nutshell Greece was wholly responsible for events that engulfed Cyprus after the military coup. The root of all evil , an ideologically bankrupt nation adversely influencing equally ideologically bankrupt Cypriots who to this day fail to recognize the right of the Cypriot people to their true national identity , that identity is none other than the Cypriot identity.
Miltiadis could not have put it better himself !!

Only there's a little thing that Turkey committed as well. Ethnic cleansing, atrocities and occupation.

absolutely , no one is denying that Turkey having been given the excuse to invade proceeded to achieve it's long standing plan to divide the island
and cause so much turmoil and destruction . She was given the go ahead by events created by the junta and by those amongst us who without knowing it are the enemies of Cyprus . I just can not understand why this Greece - Cyprus connection , and it is only a connection , should adversely interfere with the destiny of the nation of Cyprus. As a fiercely proud Cypriot never wavering from declaring that I'm a Cypriot I find it hard to comprehend the insatiable need that some have for Greece !!

There's no need for Greece. No one is saying anything about needing to belong to the state of Greece (apart from a few questionable individuals). What is a connection to however is Hellenism, Hellenic ethnicity, Hellenic language, and the same Byzantine religious beliefs and traditions.

Why should Greece monopolise Hellenism? Cyprus is an origin of Hellenic culture and to give that up would be giving up Hellenism to just Greece.

Cyprus has its own state of which its citizens should feel patriotic for and allegiance to the flag is non-negotiable. Nationality and ethnicity however must never be confused.

[Bananiot]

Far too late, far too little DT. Anyway, what STUD is saying is that events follow a rational sequence and that our predicament was sealed by our stupid mistakes.

[DT.]

Far too late, far too little DT. Anyway, what STUD is saying is that events follow a rational sequence and that our predicament was sealed by our stupid mistakes.

Would that same rational sequence occur if we neighboured Norway?

[humanist]

DT ......... You're correct in the above and agree 100%, however that was one part of Cypriot history. The other is that for 300 years the ottoman empire was present and as such brought different traditions and beliefs and that needs to be acknowledged.

Hellenism was thousands of years ago so nationality and ethnicity I don't believe applies to Cyprus.

I don't think we are neither Greek or Turkish we are all remnants of those periods in history. That is my two bob worth.

[Bananiot]

Funny you should mention Norway. I was telling this to a friend earlier. I was on a course at Gothenburg university in 1996 and we were doing outdoor work in a forest on the Sweden-Norway border. I strayed into Norway for a leak and there I saw a billboard that read: On this spot, Norway and Sweden fought their last bloody war 300 years ago. By the way, there was no visible border ...

[kurupetos]

The new capital of Hellenism is Cyprus.

Hellenism will soon spread throughout the world.

[Get Real!]

What is a connection to however is Hellenism, Hellenic ethnicity, Hellenic language, and the same Byzantine religious beliefs and traditions.

As much as I like you as a friend you're pretty daft too when it comes to these matters!

First, Byzantine is ROMAN and had NOTHING to do with Greeks, Greece, Hellene, Hellenism, PAOK or Olympiakos!

Second, Hellenism, is the expansionist MOVEMENT of “Greeks” (MEGALI IDEA) in the early 1820s (aided and promoted by European powers to win over the Ottomans because they needed Greece’s territory and islands for military bases) which ultimately failed and only gained some support here on Cyprus due to the existence of Ottomans!

You will find no such word as “Hellene” or “Hellenism” in either the Old or the New testaments (spanning more than a millennium) simply because they DID NOT EXIST!

Now how a Cypriot 600 miles away, becomes a member of this club in the 21st century is beyond me!

[SpartanGamer]

You will find no such word as “Hellene” or “Hellenism” in either the Old or the New testaments ...

You won't find it in the Koran either, or a host of other books - but that doesn't mean what Hellenism stands for doesn't exist.

[Get Real!]

You will find no such word as “Hellene” or “Hellenism” in either the Old or the New testaments ...

You won't find it in the Koran either, or a host of other books - but that doesn't mean what Hellenism stands for doesn't exist.

Accounts of Cyprus and Cypriots exist throughout the gospels but “Hellenes” or “Hellenism” do NOT, so what does that tell you?