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Who suffered more? Kurds of Turkey or the TCs?

Postby GreekForumer » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:56 pm

bigOz wrote:How about the Turks of Trachia? They suffered more in the hands of past Greek governments than Kurds did in Turkey. I reckon an autonomous state should also be allocated for the Turks in North-Eastern Greece in return for what they had gone through during the last century!


WikiPedia wrote:WW1 era ..... According to Shaller and Zimmerer in the Journal of Genocide Research, the leadership of Young Turks planned to eliminate Kurdish identity by deporting Kurds from their ancestral land and displacing them in small groups[20]. In this era, the Kurds suffered from deportations and death marches and forced Turkification[20]. The Young Turks partially implemented these plans in WWI and 700,000 Kurds were forcibly removed where approximately 350,000 of these displaces Kurds perished[20]. These Kurds were forced by the young Turks to go on death march resembling the Armenian marches[20] which was part of a plan to eliminate Kurdish identity[20].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey



WikiPedia wrote:Dersim Ethnocide
In 1937–1938, approximately 65,000–70,000 Alevi Kurds[21][22][23] were killed and thousands were taken into exile. A key component of the turkification process was the policy of massive population resettlement. Referring to the main policy document in this context, the 1934 law on resettlement, a policy targeting the region of Dersim as one of its first test cases, with disastrous consequences for the local population[24]. The Dersim ethnocide[21] is often confused with the Dersim Rebellion that took place during these events. Today, not much is left of Derim's distinctive culture and the majority of its people live in the diaspora.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey


WikiPedia wrote:1980s onwards.....Much of the countryside in the southeast was depopulated, with Kurdish civilians moving to local defensible centers such as Diyarbakır, Van, and Şırnak, as well as to the cities of western Turkey and even to western Europe. The causes of the depopulation included PKK atrocities against Kurdish clans they could not control, the poverty of the southeast, and the Turkish state's military operations.[16] Human Rights Watch has documented many instances where the Turkish military forcibly evacuated villages, destroying houses and equipment to prevent the return of the inhabitants . An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped from the map, representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey


On another thread I ask Who suffered more? Kurds of Turkey or the Turks of Trachia?.


Hmmmmmm!!!!! How about the TCs ????????????

A very, very interesting question!!!!!!!

So who suffered more? Kurds of Turkey or the TCs?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:17 pm

The TCs are the ones who suffered far less, not just from the Kurds in Turkey, but also when compared with every other minority in Turkey (Armenians, Greeks etc).

The TCs also suffered far less when compared with the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots have been oppressed and massacred by the Turks for centuries, with many 10s of thousands murdered and 100s of thousands ethnically cleansed with such atrocities happening as late as 1974, and even later, with the murders of Isaak and Solomou.

The Turks like to look at their own suffering and casualties in isolation, without comparing them to the far greater casualties and suffering they caused to others. They do this in their effort to find excuses to cause even more suffering to others.
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Postby antifon » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:46 pm

A Kurd on The Economist wrote
dog007 wrote: Apr 18th 2011 2:49 GMT
http://www.economist.com/node/18561207/ ... &sort=desc

PKK was established in 1970s and was not an armed groups..but during the 1980s coup Turkey became under control of Fascist Turkish Thugs..Their mission was to ethnically cleanse Kurds, at the time west was only caring about facing soviet block, Turkey was too important for the west to complain about Kurdish genocide.

Turkish government banned Kurdish language, named Kurds as mountain Turks and declared emergency law under which anyone spoke Kurdish could be declared as a traitor and short at the scene. Many incidents like this happened, but Turkish fascist regime realized that it can only force these inhuman laws in the cities and the villagers who lived in rural mountainous region continued to speak Kurdish and preserved their tradition. Which why Turkish army started the genocide campaign by raising the villages and killing the civilian population, at the time PKK saw it as a moral obligation to go to the mountains and protect the nation from Barbarian Turks who came from western Turkey to destroy Kurdish villages and kill the civilians.

Thanks to the NATO’s immoral support to Turkey, Turkey managed to destroy over 5000 villages in Kurdistan and kill most of the civilians, the few who escaped became refugees in Europe or other part of Turkey and had to disguise themselves as Turks.

As Turkish regime realized it cannot defeat Kurds, they started to make superficial reforms to fool EU to accept their membership but even that was enough for PKK to declare cease fire and advocate for peace between Kurds and Turks but fascist circles in Turkey government and army were and still are too strong, so the peace initiatives only answered with killing and arresting more Kurdish people.

Based on the above facts, the sole responsibility of the war and the killings lie on the Turkish state’s shoulder because so far they failed to take advantage of PKK’s peace initiatives also failed to grant Kurds with basic rights like education in Kurdish, and autonomy.
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Postby adabizim » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:33 pm

Turkey had a half Kurdish president, Kurdish minister of foreign affairs, many Kurdish ministers and MPs. How many times have you elected a TC in your fake state? NONE
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Postby antifon » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:04 pm

adabizim wrote:Turkey had a half Kurdish president, Kurdish minister of foreign affairs, many Kurdish ministers and MPs. How many times have you elected a TC in your fake state? NONE



Did your half Kurdish President speak any Kurdish? Does having a grandma of Kurdish descent justify the 'half' qualifier? Did you by any chance poison him? Is the investigation still ongoing?
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Postby adabizim » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:07 pm

You will shut your fucking mouth up until you have the maturity to elect 27% of your parliament from TCs and you have TC ministers and you elect TC presidents.
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Postby SpartanGamer » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:59 pm

There was a 'completely' TC Vice President (for a measly 15% minority) for 3 years, but he couldn't hack it!

We know you prefer to dictate policy ...
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Postby CBBB » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:11 pm

Isn't there something when you sign up to the forum that says you have to be over 13 years old?

Obviously adabizim and VP lied!
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Postby adabizim » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:08 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:There was a 'completely' TC Vice President (for a measly 15% minority) for 3 years, but he couldn't hack it!

We know you prefer to dictate policy ...


Is it because you started killing people?
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:32 pm

Oh, boy! I hate repetitions. :cry:
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