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[SpartanGamer]

There was a 'completely' TC Vice President (for a measly 15% minority) for 3 years, but he couldn't hack it!

We know you prefer to dictate policy ...

Is it because you started killing people?

Nope - don't recall making thousands march through desert to their deaths ... Do you?

[Paphitis]

There was a 'completely' TC Vice President (for a measly 15% minority) for 3 years, but he couldn't hack it!

We know you prefer to dictate policy ...

Is it because you started killing people?

Not a single TC was killed until after they withdrew from parliament, the TMT forced the TCs into enclaves and after they (TMT) started to attack the GCs and the Armenians and commenced false flag operations under the direction of Turkish Army Officers sent from Turkey.

[quattro]

There was a 'completely' TC Vice President (for a measly 15% minority) for 3 years, but he couldn't hack it!

We know you prefer to dictate policy ...

Is it because you started killing people?

READ THEM

[bigOz]

GreekForumer!

Let me put the record straight regarding the rubbish you keep throwing at us - using Wikipedia as your source (!?)!

Firstly, Wikipedia is reputed to be not a good source for reference for arguments as also put forward and argued by many (more learned) GCs in this forum. You have failed on that one to start with.

Your second failure to convince anyone comes from the fact that, you persistently select isolated bits (even from Wikipedia) with no due attention or reference to the rest of the material it contains. So allow me to correct you referring you back to your beloved Wiki by quoting this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kurdistan

Let me make to you and any other fool who believes Eastern Turkey is "ancestral land of Kurds" (as you put it). The land could have been ancestral to Sumerians or Hitites but never to Kurds! No historic map or writing of Kurdish origin has ever been discovered in the area - so how does that make it ancestral Kurdish land? - what Kurdish culture are you talking about?

In 1919 Kurds declared an independent Kingdom. The link above expresses an unrecognized so called "Kingdom of Kurdistan" 85% in Iraq, only with an area smaller than the size of Cyrpus in Eastern Turkey. A mountainous barren part of Turkey where even the foxes had refused to stay! If Kurds believed their "Kingdom" had ancestral claim to a bigger land , then why did they not construct a larger map?

But when

The army of the Kingdom of Kurdistan was called the Kurdish National Army. Barzanji was defeated by the British in July, 1924, and in January 1926 the League of Nations gave the mandate over the territory to Iraq, with the provision for special rights for Kurds. In 1930-1931, Shaykh Makhmud Barzanji made his last unsuccessful attempt.

Following this, In 1925 they changed their map and tactics to:

The second Kingdom of Kurdistan was attempted in southeastern Turkey with Sheikh Said Rebellion in 1925 and only lasted 3 months before being put down by the Turkish army. The rebellion was initiated by Sheikh Said of Piran who was reported to have been assisted by tribal elements from Syria.

I attract your attention to "Syria" element here who supported the idea and at the time were arch enemies of Turkey!

Many years BC when Asia minor was under Roman and Greek rule, the whole region was shown as "Armenia" and included what was later claimed to be "Kingdom of Kurdistan". So after the Armenian terrorism against Turks was killed off, someone started the idea of a "Kurdish" land in the same area!

If you really must know, the whole idea of introducing Kurds into the equation, came from an Imperialist historian called George Rawlinson, who, in the 19th century decided to assume that, many civilizations that existed in Eastern Turkey were Kurds(?). However, if one looks at the names and history of these many tribes, there is no such local evidence recorded in writing, or any artefacts remains discovered to show a common language, culture, religion or tradition!

When will you understand - just like the Armenian Myth - Kurdish problem was artificially created and perpetuated by the enemies of Turks existence in the area (like Greeks for instance) whom to this day are unashamedly supporting their terrorist activities.

As for the number of Kurds in Turkey today, the reason is far from the place being their "ancestral land". You better look in the direction of Kurd bashing by Iraq and Syria, which resulted in Kurds crossing the Turkish border in their hundreds of thousands over the last decades of 20th century (and before!), for safety AND decided to stay there since! Characteristically having 6-10 children (even more with most of them having 2 wives) the buggers multiply like rats. So now they "claim" to be well over 10 million in Turkey, you think they are entitled to a republic?

Let me ask you something. If the TRNC gave financial help and encouraged families to have 6-7 children each and within a decade TC population reached half of the GC population, will you agree to us having half of Cyprus then???

I suggest you take the pink glasses off, and have a more careful look at the Kurdish problem, from a wider historic and political perspective.

[bigOz]

As for how much the TUrks in Trachia suffered in the hands of Greeks - I shall leave for another post in a weeks time. I do have a lot of work to do and my time costs many Euros per hour!

[antifon]

Criminalising The Kurdish People's Legitimate Demands for Freedom Is a War Crime!

By Hevallo

Not a day passes without more Kurdish activists being dragged into Turkish jails on any charge someone can think up!

Recent excuses have been holding a placard, attending a press conference and even one poor student got 10 months in prison for dancing halay! All charged with 'supporting a terrorist organisation'!

In the last few weeks there are now hundreds of people, whose only crime is to campaign for Kurdish rights locked up, dragged from their houses and families and incarcerated with tens of thousands of others who have been imprisoned for the same reason!

Millions of Kurdish people give their popular support to this 'terrorist' organisation'.

Tens of thousands of Kurds have given their lives for this 'terrorist' organisation', the PKK!

The evidence of this popular support is seen over and over again and most famously when a group of Kurdish Freedom Fighters of the PKK crossed over the Habur Gate in a 'Peace Group' that was welcomed by millions of Kurdish people in many cities!

For years the Turkish State has refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Kurdish people's struggle for rights and justice against a fascistic policy of race supremacy and cultural genocide!

By continuing to 'criminalise' the Kurds the Turkish state attempts to justify it's barbaric repression of ordinary people's legitimate demands for basic freedoms and rights!

The PKK are the Freedom Fighters of the Kurdish people in Turkey! So millions of people are 'criminalised' on this basis!

Follow this fascistic logic and the state will have to build much bigger prisons if it is to implement it's policy properly! Or as during the nineties a systematic policy of destruction of Kurdish towns, cities, villages and hamlets! Millions of people will have to be eradicated!

But this has already been tried by the Turkish State and has failed miserably from their point of view! The Kurdish struggle has already halted Turkey's stated aim of forced assimilation of the the Kurds in Turkey and given the Kurdish people back their, culture, language and pride!

This policy of criminalisation is a war crime in my view! Just as racism was used to justify the mass genocide of African people during the Slave Trade so 'Criminalization' is used against the Kurds!

Western Governments are also guilty of acquiescing in the genocidal crimes of the Turkish state and should give up this policy that has evidently failed!

Europe should take the lead and legitimise and recognise the Kurdish people's Freedom Movement by unbanning the PKK and urging Turkey to end it's failed policy of criminalising the Kurds and begin negotiations for a peaceful and political solution!

The alternative at this point in time is the same as the IRA did in it's armed struggle against the English! It brought the war that was being fought against it to the streets of England!

The leadership of the Kurdish Freedom Movement have stated that unless the Kurdish issue is seen as a political problem and solved with a political process then the Kurdish Struggle will move to the streets of Western Turkish Cities that have been relatively unaffected thus far!

This would be a dramatic change in tactics but as Turkey continues to drag innocent people to jail and baton and gas people on the streets who are raising political demands then it is the responsibility of the state to accept the consequences!

Stop criminalizing the Kurds and recognise the Kurdish peoples demands for basic rights and freedoms as a political issue and begin negotiations for a political solution!

[antifon]

As for how much the TUrks in Trachia suffered in the hands of Greeks - I shall leave for another post in a weeks time. I do have a lot of work to do and my time costs many Euros per hour!

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[bigOz]

Who the flug are Kurds? What exactly is Kurdish culture? When was the last time there was a Kurdish Republic in Eastern turkey - so that they can be called freedom fighters?

Re antifon - if you have the balls to go with your Turkish hate, go fight them yourself, otherwise stop hoping that Kurds will do it for you. There will never be a Kurdish State within Turkey's borders - even if it means exterminating all the bastards!

They can bark and scream and bomb the streets where other Kurds are living in the streets. They will not get more than what has already given to them i.e. The rights of every other Turkish citizen plus their own radio/TV stations, the right to use/study their own language etc. Your ignorance is making you talk about Turkeys stance against Kurds many years ago and not currently.

As for IRA, so what happened? Is Northern Ireland now a part of Irish Republic? The poor buggers are still have to talk in English as the formal language. Likening them to Kurds amplifies your ignorance! Re bello! Northern Ireland is a natural extension of Irish Republic and the Irisih people are ethnically/religiously same as the single Irish people. Which country are the Kurds extension of and of which so called Kurdish people are they representing? There are at least three different types of the buggers with at least 3 different languages. Not to mention the PKK are disowned and fought against by the new Kurdish state in Iraq!

Stop wasting my time or I'll send the bill to your address!

[antifon]

Who the flug are Kurds? What exactly is Kurdish culture? When was the last time there was a Kurdish Republic in Eastern turkey - so that they can be called freedom fighters?

Re antifon - if you have the balls to go with your Turkish hate, go fight them yourself, otherwise stop hoping that Kurds will do it for you. There will never be a Kurdish State within Turkey's borders - even if it means exterminating all the bastards!

They can bark and scream and bomb the streets where other Kurds are living in the streets. They will not get more than what has already given to them i.e. The rights of every other Turkish citizen plus their own radio/TV stations, the right to use/study their own language etc. Your ignorance is making you talk about Turkeys stance against Kurds many years ago and not currently.

As for IRA, so what happened? Is Northern Ireland now a part of Irish Republic? The poor buggers are still have to talk in English as the formal language. Likening them to Kurds amplifies your ignorance! Re bello! Northern Ireland is a natural extension of Irish Republic and the Irisih people are ethnically/religiously same as the single Irish people. Which country are the Kurds extension of and of which so called Kurdish people are they representing? There are at least three different types of the buggers with at least 3 different languages. Not to mention the PKK are disowned and fought against by the new Kurdish state in Iraq!

Stop wasting my time or I'll send the bill to your address!

At the rates you are charging I would not call it a 'bill'. More like charity.

[antifon]

Many Turks have no clue about the Dersim event because this nasty episode, like several others, is carefully excluded from “official history,” the only history they know. Even some Western authorities, such as Bernard Lewis and Stanford J. Shaw, have not written a single word about it in their books on modern Turkish history. Yet the violent suppression of the Dersim Revolt of 1937-38 is too tragic to be forgotten, let alone be cheered for.

Here is the briefest story. Dersim, a town in eastern Anatolia, was a tribal area of Alevi Kurds, who were both religiously and ethnically unorthodox in the eyes of the Turkish Republic. In the mid-1930s, the Kemalist regime tried to subdue this anarchic region by imposing “law and order,” and, of course, taxes. Some tribes conceded defeat, others resisted.

One day in March 1937, a strategic wooden bridge was burned down and telephone lines were cut. The government saw this as the beginning of a big rebellion. The military soon launched a brutal campaign on the province, in order to kill the rebels, but also a great many number of civilians.

The accounts from the massacres come mainly from the survivors, such as Nuri Dersimi, who wrote a book 13 years later in Syria. He explains that when troops began hunting down the rebellious tribes, the men gave battle, and the women and children hid in deep caves.

“Thousands of these women and children perished because the army bricked up the entrances of the caves,” Dersimi writes. “At the entrances of other caves, the military lit fires to cause those inside to suffocate. Those who tried to escape from the caves were finished off with bayonets.”

It is safe to assume that Dersimi, a Kurdish nationalist, is biased. But other accounts confirm the terrible story. Martin van Bruinessen, a Dutch anthropologist and an expert on Kurdish history, says, “At several instances, the [official military] reports mention the arrest of women and children, but elsewhere we read of indiscriminate killing of humans and animals.

“With professional pride, reports list how many ‘bandits’ and dependents were ‘annihilated,’ and how many villages and fields were burned. Groups who were hiding in caves were entirely wiped out.”

Overall, Bruinessen estimates “almost 10 percent of the entire population of Tunceli was killed.”

You can wonder where Tunceli was. Well, it was Dersim’s new title after the “pacification” of the province. Just like thousands of other Kurdish towns and villages, it was given an artificial Turkish name."

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-11-17