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[Khan]

I dont understand, what oppresion was causing GC to kill TC from 63-74?

[Main_Source]

lets get one thing straigh Khan...TC were killing GC too. Even before 1963...so stop trying to play the innocent act.

As for the opression...it went someway as to give the GC a form of nationalism to stay strong. It was that nationalism that made us want to become free from British rule...and the only oportunity for that at the time was to join with Greece...like the other ethnically Greek islands that were freed from Ottoman opression.

Then come the 1950's and the EOKA movement...to which TC sided with the British and got in the way of the firing line.

Then comes your intercommunal violance.

[Khan]

Forget all that British and Ottoman rule, its absoloutely no excuse for the mess the GC caused.

We had a republic in 1960 free from any foreign rule or oppresion without the need to achieve union with anyone. There was peace, but for GC it wasn't enough, there had to be enosis and then the coup.

The 1960 Republic and Annan Plan share one thing in common for GC's, not enough power.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Khan, most of the five or six idiots who were killed asked for it. For example the bloke who was randomly shooting at people on the highway. Most people hope he burns in hell. At the end of the day the scum who were cleaned were not innocent.
The fact that a few terrorists were killed did not entitle anyone to take it out on the entire greek population of northern Cyprus.

If these scum bags were decent citizens who cooperated with majority they would be enjoying their retirement now.

[muallim]

[quote="Agios Amvrosios"]Khan, most of the five or six idiots who were killed asked for it. For example the bloke who was randomly shooting at people on the highway. Most people hope he burns in hell. At the end of the day the scum who were cleaned were not innocent.
The fact that a few terrorists were killed did not entitle anyone to take it out on the entire greek population of northern Cyprus.

If these scum bags were decent citizens who cooperated with majority they would be enjoying their retirement now.[/quote

what a excuse

[Piratis]

Forget all that British and Ottoman rule, its absoloutely no excuse for the mess the GC caused.

Oh ok, So the centuries of oppression and crimes against Greek Cypriots are not an excuse, but the one decade of crimes against Turkish Cypriots it is an excuse?

So all it matters is that one decade? All the centuries before that decade do not matter all and they are not an excuse, and the 3 decades that followed are excused because of that one decade.

[Khan]

Khan, most of the five or six idiots who were killed asked for it.

Were the whole inhabitants of Tokhni and surroundings asking for it? How can a 16 day old baby be asking for it?

Oh ok, So the centuries of oppression and crimes against Greek Cypriots are not an excuse, but the one decade of crimes against Turkish Cypriots it is an excuse?

Piratis, are you telling me that Ottoman rule of Cyprus justified the killing of innocent TC babies, women and elderly nearly 100 years after they relinquished control?

I guess by your book it would be ok now for Americans to go slaughter a village full of British people in US for their rule. You sound like a bigot.

[cypezokyli]

my friend piratis

sorry for the late answer

if i am not mistaken the question was how many gc visited the north.
i answered that did once, to visit my grandfathers house and after i made friend more often.

you wrote :

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the first time i ve been to the turkish site was to visit by grabdfathers house.


Is your grandfather alive? If he is, go tell him that his house is not his anymore but it is Turkish now. I am sure he will be very proud of you

1. firstly i fail to see what your question has to do with this thread
2. my grandfather is alive
3. i dont think that he will be alive to return, unless u see a solution in the near future and you keep it as a surprise
4. if he is proud of me or not it is sth that first of all it is not of your business, and second sth that only he knows. if u r really interested in finding out we can go and ask him
5. what is pride?
6. can a person have pride on one subject and on some other to have none? or do we have just people with pride and the ones who simply dont?
7. if by pride you mean being a president and having a minister giving contracts to the company of his wife (using the money of the tax payers) and the president does not ask even for an investigation then.... i am really sorry but my grandfather was just a farmer , such kind of pridefull actions are beyond him.

[garbitsch]

What a crap people talking here! Put the blame on T.Cs and is that all? We allied with British against what? Your bloody Enosis dream! But we got tricked by Brits and we had created our own cause= taksim. There was an apartheid regime on Turkish Cypriots between 63-74 and anyone who simply denies this is denying the whole history. As for justification of these actions with the Ottoman rule, are you going to make us suffer for another 400 years Pirati just to equalise the Ottoman rule? Is that what you are talking about? This is crap and I dont buy it.

About your properties in North. How about the T.C properties your government had expropriated? How about the land being used by G.Cs?? I thought expropriation is used for building roads etc but I saw one land on which a restaurant was built! Don't play "we are innocent" game. Dont put the blame on us. You have more guilt than us!

As for Greece not involving in Cyprus. If she hadnt threatened new EU members' entries into the EU as a reaction to any pressures on Cyprus's entry, then there would have been more pressure on the RoC government and thus they would have been more willing to negotiate with T.Cs.

[BirKibrisli]

good people,
We have been hearing these allegations and counter allegations for more than 30 years now. Don't you think its about time we changed our tunes?
Let us realise that all Cypriots are the victims in this tragedy,and we allowed it to happen because we were too ready to fall for the nationalism/patriotism,chauvenism trap.

Lets wake up from this slumber.We are all in the same boat.
The boat we are in is leeking. We have to find ways of building trust.
Piratis,I am surprised to read that you have never been to the NOrth.
How will you ever change your entrenched position if you don't get out of your comfort zone?

Main-Source,you seem to be stuck in the 70s.The world has turned global.Nationalism has been exposed for what it is " a tool to control people and make them do unspeakable acts in the name of their country".

We have to let go of the past .We have to realise that us Cypriots have more in common than mainland Turks or Greeks.We are the same people.
Last I was in Cyprus,I could tell a settler from a TC from a mile away.I couldn't tell a GC from a TC.As we speak and call each other names,the division of Cyprus is becoming more entrenched.Soon the number of settlers in the North will reach 250,000. The number of real TCs will fall to 30,000.What kind of a solution will we have then?