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How Many of you GC visited "the occupied areas"?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Attorney » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:55 pm

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If GC really love their land that they left back in the Turkish Side, they should just get over it and go with their instincts instead of what Papadopoulos or the Church says.
Yeah you can go and do one...Dont bother try and talk in a nice tone and tell us to leave what belongs to us alone.

Main Source, I do not see how this is an answer to what I say. I am saying -in the simplest way- if you really loved your land that much you could have just disregarded your Church or your leader and seen it


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First, I consider both areas equally free
Yeah the north is SO free that journalists get arrested if there work doesnt comply with standards set by the Turkish military.


In every democracy there are limitations. This is true even for US. Do not tell us that GC journalists are free. May be they are less limited in some areas but they are not free. Let's look at 65 percent of the GC. They are not free. They are not free even with the way they think. They can only think & do whatever their church says them to
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Let us look at the referendum. If there is fanaticism on the Turkish side, that is (was) the fanaticism for peace and agreement. On the other hand Greek Side is fanatic in the way they want to treat Turks as the second class people in a future state like they treat the Filipinos now.

Your talkin bollocks. Lets see what would happend if there was a fair plan put in place and not one that heavily favoured superpower Turkey...then we will see this so called fanatacism for peace. As for treating Turks as second class people, how is this so? You sem to think that just because GC want totally equal rights for all and TC dont get there special rights...(that not even the Maronites who are a tiny minority get)...this means that GC want to treat TC as second class citizens!? lol..infact, if you got what you wanted, it would be the GC who would be treated as second class citizens.


Have you read the plan or are you just saying what your Papadopoulos says, B/c sounds like it. The plan was fair for both sides but it ldid not look fair for GC to give up what they made in 30 years and become somewhat equal with "minorities"



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In regards to the issue of being considered a foreigner or native (or citizen), I must say that if you do not want to be considered a TRNC citizen there is only one way you can be treated in the TRNC and that is being treated as a foreigner.

Says it all about Turkish way of thinking.

Is that an answer? /b]


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For the TC crossing to the Greek Controlled Areas, I assure you that they are treated as foreigners if they do not have a RoC issued ID card. They wait at the barricade for a background check etc.
So what about the TC WITH RoC ID cards?...are they treated as foreigners too?


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Why would they need to show an ID card if there are no two sides? :D



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I believe the Greek government did the right thing by not giving the titles of the Turkish Property to Greeks and the Turkish Government made a mistake by giving titles of the Greek Property to the Turks. But I am sure that they are not going to make another mistake by trying to sole this chaos by creating another one.

Get it right...its not the Greek government its the Cypriot government...and what would another mistake be in this case?


It would have been Cypriot government if Turkish people were also represented. It looks Greek to me and I will call it greek government
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BTW, Have you been to the Turkish Side?
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Postby cypezokyli » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:16 pm

the first time i ve been to the turkish site was to visit by grabdfathers house. on the same day i also visited kyrenia. i have to say i was more sad about kyrenia that i was for my grandfathers house. imo its the most beautiful city of cyprus.

then for a period i had hesitations in showing my passport... just like all good gc

then i made a tc friend and i became a bad gc. in order to visit a friend i have no hesitations in showing my pass.

as simple as that
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Postby Piratis » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:12 am

the first time i ve been to the turkish site was to visit by grabdfathers house.


Is your grandfather alive? If he is, go tell him that his house is not his anymore but it is Turkish now. I am sure he will be very proud of you :roll:

The plan was fair for both sides but it ldid not look fair for GC to give up what they made in 30 years and become somewhat equal with "minorities"

Do you prefer 1960 agreements or Annan plan? Would you agree to go back to 1960 agreements? I do. The reason that you do not, is because the Annan plan gave you a lot more than 1960 agreements, and to us a lot less. Therefore how can it be fair?
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Postby Khan » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:41 am

You rejected the 1960 agreement and started a war because it didn't give you enough. You reject the Annan plan because it didn't give you enough.
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:21 am

who started a war? I can say TC started a war by siding with the British in the 50's.

stop trying to play the blame game like Turkey is always innocent.

I guess Turkey has so many neighbouring enemies and has a terrible human rights record...simply because it is misunderstood and is really so angelic.
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Postby Khan » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:16 pm

GC want enosis = TC side with British = 1960 Agreement = GC coup to achieve enosis = violation of treaty of Guarantee = Turkey invasion.

Just like the Annan Plan, GC moaned back then because it didn't give them full control of the island.
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:11 pm

Right, and it was the oppression your ancestors put us in, as well as handing us over to the British, that made us want to strive for Enosis.

As for the treaty of guarantee, well Turkey is still in violation of that, 31 years after invading and stealing GC homes.
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Postby Khan » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:07 pm

So your blaming the actions of the GC nationalists who screwed Cyprus on the Ottomans?

You should look closer to home, Papadopoulos, Clerides, Sampson, Greece...
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 pm

Yes the Ottomans played a big part psychologically...It was Ottomans who oppressed us for 400 years and then handed us over to the British to rule us. Maybe we as a people wanted control of our own home...and like many other examples accross the world...when a people are under oppression through a foreign ruler, often nationalism is born in order to keep the opressed as one and have something to fight for.

and with regards to the violance...maybe you should look at Faizal Kucuk, who wanted to implement the idea of partition before any inter-communal violance in Cyprus..and who's TMT movement even blew up TC buildings in order to blame it on the GC.
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:44 pm

As for Greece, well they arent involved in the Cyprus problem right now...but Turkey is.
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