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[BigDutch]

First, I consider both areas equally free.

Disagree. One is occupied by force, one is controlled by the government. The occupied area is not "free" in the simplest sense of the word.

On the other hand Greek Side is fanatic in the way they want to treat Turks as the second class people in a future state like they treat the Filipinos now.

Disagree. RoC is a one-man one-vote kinda gig - this is not fanatical. Every RoC resident (whether GC or other) gets a vote.

.. I must say that if you do not want to be considered a TRNC citizen there is only one way you can be treated in the TRNC and that is being treated as a foreigner.

What if you feel that the occupied areas are not TRNC but RoC ? This is the view of the UN, and of the my country, the UK. Being an RoC citizen in the RoC should not make you feel like a foreigner. Period.

For the TC crossing to the Greek Controlled Areas, I assure you that they are treated as foreigners if they do not have a RoC issued ID card. They wait at the barricade for a background check etc.

All but RoC ID holders are checked. Regardless of "TC".

I believe the Greek government did the right thing by not giving the titles of the Turkish Property to Greeks and the Turkish Government made a mistake by giving titles of the Greek Property to the Turks. But I am sure that they are not going to make another mistake by trying to sole this chaos by creating another one.

I accept the guarantor rights of intervention. However the first mistake of Turkey was to not recreate the 1960 constitution as per the rights of the guarantor(s). Subsequent "mistakes" include occuping the land, giving property away and the "creation" of a new "state". Unfortuantely the mistake you accept Turkey has made is the biggest problem on the island. Without this problem their would be one major obstruction missing from the solution process.

So, whoever still believes that they are going to get back what they left in Kyrenia or Famagusta or whereever else on the Turkish Side, I suggest them to wake up and realize that it is not possible.

Those that beleive in a solution involving property hand-back, are those that believe in the greater good. They are not asleep.

If they go at least once to see that their farmlands or houses, which the newest of them would be 31 year old now,they are nowhere near to what they were before. This is going to make it so much easier for the GC to understand that no plan will allow them to get these properties back.

I think that the recent movements in Israel prove that occupied land can be handed back, and will give greater confidence to all (not just GC) that wish to have their occupied area back.

[Bananiot]

Just a thought on the very last statement concerning Israel. What happened in Gaza over the last week is very dramatic, but in Cyprus, events nearby were overshadowed by the tragic aeroplane crash, so their importance was not really appreciated.

Anyway, the removal of the settlers (sometimes by force) was only made possible as a result of an agreement reached between the Israelis and the Palestinian moderates. Common sense prevailed only when the fanatics and extremists were side stepped, for a change.

Also, remember that Israel was established in 1948 on Palestine and the early Arab calls to free Palestine (that is destroy Israel) have been abandoned by the serious Arab States which have now learned to live with the idea of co existence of Palestine and Israel.

Can analogies be made with the Cyprob? Probably, but any lessons from the Arab - Israeli conflict need to be extracted carefully because Israel, for decades, was a pseudo state for almost all Arabs but now, Israel's sworn enemies are queuing up to recognise the Jewish state.

[Main_Source]

Bananiot, do you live in the occupied areas?

[Viewpoint]

Why dont we follow suit and agree land for recognized partition? everyone goes theres seperate ways end of story no more Cyprus issue.
Future generations will grow up with no headache over the Cyprus issue and all the bullshit that goes with it. No more GC wanting to dominate the whole of Cyprus and no more paranoid TCs not wanting to live as a minority in GC dominated state.

[Main_Source]

ok, if thats what you want...you give us our homes back...you can take yours back which we have been more than willing to give...and you go and live in lots of tiny TC states around the island.

[Bananiot]

I live on planet earth, main_source, I am a citizen of the world ...

[Viewpoint]

ok, if thats what you want...you give us our homes back...you can take yours back which we have been more than willing to give...and you go and live in lots of tiny TC states around the island.

I did say return of land so as to accomodate as many GCs refugess as feesibly possible in return for recognition, the remaining GC refugees where again possible could return to live in the TRNC and the balance of refugees could be compensated by Turkey. This way you would rid yourselves of thieving, greedy untrustworthy TCs and also rid yourselves of the 1960 constitution you loathe so much, end of story everyone live happily ever after, Why is it so difficult to understand?? neither side has the vision or flexibility to resolve anything so this alternative land return for recognition becomes more attractive and viable dont you think?

[Main_Source]

Bananiot, enough of the "we-are-the-world, we-are-the-people" crap...DO you live in the north? Because if you dont, I think you should.

You seem to want to applaud the whole aspect of the 'TRNC' and I reckon you might as well go and live there...so you can enjoy looking at disfigured mountain sides and descicrated churches.

[Bananiot]

Let me put it this way, then:

This is what I wrote about the Palestinian/Israeli situation:

Just a thought on the very last statement concerning Israel. What happened in Gaza over the last week is very dramatic, but in Cyprus, events nearby were overshadowed by the tragic aeroplane crash, so their importance was not really appreciated.

Anyway, the removal of the settlers (sometimes by force) was only made possible as a result of an agreement reached between the Israelis and the Palestinian moderates. Common sense prevailed only when the fanatics and extremists were side stepped, for a change.

Also, remember that Israel was established in 1948 on Palestine and the early Arab calls to free Palestine (that is destroy Israel) have been abandoned by the serious Arab States which have now learned to live with the idea of co existence of Palestine and Israel.

Can analogies be made with the Cyprob? Probably, but any lessons from the Arab - Israeli conflict need to be extracted carefully because Israel, for decades, was a pseudo state for almost all Arabs but now, Israel's sworn enemies are queuing up to recognise the Jewish state.

And, this was your response:

Bananiot, do you live in the occupied areas?

To which one could reply in a number of ways. I could have asked you if you understood what I wrote, but I did not want to insult your intelligence, but anyway, thanks for your advice, one day I might just do that (go and live in the pseudo-state) but again, perhaps you should read more carefully what I wrote, you may just get the point.

[Main_Source]

Well, if you added your last post about analysing the north of Cyprus and Israel...and all the other pro-'TRNC' / anti anything Greek stuff you have written in the past...you may as well practise what you preach and go and live in the north. simple as that.