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Postby EricSeans » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:29 pm

humanist wrote:I am not convinced that people who buy in the "trnc" are not aware of the political situation and the circumstances under which they buy a plot of land. You would think if you can google real estate in Cyprus you can google the history of the place you are going to buy a home in and make your new Country.

However, would it be legal if a refugee sold via the RoC Lands registry a plot of land in the occupied are to another Cypriot or European citizen or an Australian citizen for that matter. And I wonder where that would stand in the ECHR if I as an Australian wanted to claim my land which I bought from the rightful owner in the now Turkish Occupied Area of Cyprus.


Good question. Such a transaction would surely in law make the buyer a legal owner since the deal has been done through the recognised land registry, bypassing the Turkish authorities.

In my case, living in Cyprus, I had to take to the RoC Land Registry my contract of sale/purchase which had been drawn up in English by a pre-74 registered Turkish Cypriot notary. They also needed the scale map (topografico) of the plot and parcel of land, which matched their own records. Finally they checked the TC kocan, not in recognition but as corroboration of a purchase having been made, and went through a database to make sure no refugee claim had been made on the property. Only then did receive proof and recognition of ownership.
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Postby oopsy » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:04 pm

Well done Eric, for the rest of them knowingly buying dis-puted properties, then crying , the reason they bought was price .Therefore I have no sympathy.
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Postby ttoli » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:49 pm

EricSeans wrote:
ttoli wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
ttoli wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
ttoli wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
ttoli wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
CBBB wrote:You can read more about poor Polly here http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/topic,7.0.html

I wonder if we can join that one and support this poor woman who has been kicked off her property?


Only if we have the carpet-baggers full suppport for a return of the property stolen from Greek Speaking Cypriots by the Turkish Occupying forces and their local puppets, the so-called "TRNC".
Does that Offer extend to the Turkish Speaking Cypriots forced to flee from their homes in the Dark Side, must be worth fecking fortunes now, Paphos, Limmasol et al???


I have always supported a general right of return of property for everyone displaced by the troubles , based on legal ownership in say 1960 (taking into account lawful sales thereafter) with a few very limited exceptions.
A stance that I too support fully.


Ooooh... what a nice chap Ttolli can be sometimes... who presumably means possession as registered by the Land Reg of the Republic.
You make alot of presumptions don't you, An expat living in the North.. Oh they must be living on Greek land then, they cant afford to live anywhere else etc etc etc

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As the land registry of what became the ROC in 1960 was then the sole official record of ownership, upto 1974, and still should be, then it is axiomatic it has to be the land registry of the ROC..... the question must then be for any land, particularly in the North, who was the legal owner according to the land registry and is there an uninterrupted line of sale contracts between that legal owner and the current owners: if not thn the title is defective.
I do follow your point, but how do you know that some of those in the North Didn't check with the Land registry in the "Dark side"?, Not that I for a minute put you in the same boat as that Wanker "Erections", but aren't you now guilty of being presumptuous too?


What is being suggested is that you have made no such checks with the RoC Land Registry and that is because you know perfectly well that the property you occupy is likely to belong to a Greek Cypriot/s, placing you at risk of summary arrest.

Otherwise, why would you have stalked the very few people on the NC forums who stood 100% by international law as regards Cyprus? And why would you not wish to name the RoC district officer and officials you would have dealt with in south Nicosia?
Perhaps because it's really none of your Fucking business?
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Postby oopsy » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:31 am

[quote="ttoli"][quote="EricSeans"][quote="ttoli"][quote="supporttheunderdog"][quote="ttoli"][quote="bill cobbett"][quote="ttoli"][quote="supporttheunderdog"][quote="ttoli"][quote="supporttheunderdog"][quote="CBBB"]You can read more about poor Polly here http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/topic,7.0.html

I wonder if we can join that one and support this poor woman who has been kicked off her property?[/quote]

Only if we have the carpet-baggers full suppport for a return of the property stolen from Greek Speaking Cypriots by the Turkish Occupying forces and their local puppets, the so-called "TRNC".[/quote]Does that Offer extend to the Turkish Speaking Cypriots forced to flee from their homes in the Dark Side, must be worth fecking fortunes now, Paphos, Limmasol et al???[/quote]

I have always supported a general right of return of property for [u][b]everyone[/b][/u] displaced by the troubles , based on legal ownership in say 1960 (taking into account lawful sales thereafter) with a few very limited exceptions.[/quote]A stance that I too support fully.[/quote]

Ooooh... what a nice chap Ttolli can be sometimes... who presumably means possession as registered by the Land Reg of the Republic.[/quote]You make alot of presumptions don't you, An expat living in the North.. Oh they must be living on Greek land then, they cant afford to live anywhere else etc etc etc

[url=http://www.postimage.org/][img]http://s1.postimage.org/1x3yo5s3o/wanker.jpg[/img][/url][/quote]

As the land registry of what became the ROC in 1960 was then the sole official record of ownership, upto 1974, and still should be, then it is axiomatic it has to be the land registry of the ROC..... the question must then be for any land, particularly in the North, who was the legal owner according to the land registry and is there an uninterrupted line of sale contracts between that legal owner and the current owners: if not thn the title is defective.[/quote]I do follow your point, but how do you know that some of those in the North Didn't check with the Land registry in the "Dark side"?, Not that I for a minute put you in the same boat as that Wanker "Erections", but aren't you now guilty of being presumptuous too?[/quote]

What is being suggested is that you have made no such checks with the RoC Land Registry and that is because you know perfectly well that the property you occupy is likely to belong to a Greek Cypriot/s, placing you at risk of summary arrest.

Otherwise, why would you have stalked the very few people on the NC forums who stood 100% by international law as regards Cyprus? And why would you not wish to name the RoC district officer and officials you would have dealt with in south Nicosia?[/quote] Perhaps because it's really none of your Fucking business?[/quote]

Translates to = guilty as charged , you know you are in the wrong and just throw insults , please explain your position regarding your property
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Postby CBBB » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:52 am

Harassed home buyers to sue cheating bank in the north

By Simon Bahceli
Published on April 21, 2011

A GROUP of British expats who fell foul of dodgy land developers in the north have launched legal proceedings against a bank that they say acted illegally in seeking to repossess their properties.

Privately-owned Akfinans Bank faces accusations of accepting as collateral properties already sold to the expats when it provided a loan of 41,600 pounds sterling to a firm known as Kulaksiz Developments in 2004.

When Kulaksiz defaulted on the loan, Akfinans moved to possess the nine properties it had developed in the coastal village of Vasilli. This it did despite the fact that the purchasers of the properties had no knowledge of the loan. The owners of Kulaksiz have allegedly since absconded to Turkey.

The British purchasers of the nine properties say they have never had relations with the bank, and that they will fight to retain or regain the houses they paid for. While two families have already been evicted, the remaining seven properties remain occupied by the families Akfinans hope to evict.

The case again highlights the perils of purchasing property in north Cyprus, where over 80 per cent of sales involve properties owned by Greek Cypriots. The Kulaksiz development too was build on Greek Cypriot-owned land.

Akfinans Bank and a lawyer representing it refused to comment yesterday, but the bank will face accusations that it acted illegally when it sought to possess properties from people to whom it did not supply the loan.

“The Bank does not have any legal right to acquire the homes of our clients,” a statement from Boysan Bora, the lawyer acting on behalf of the expats, said in a press statement. It added that “any agreement made in the absence of our clients, and any decision given by any authority without them being informed, is null and void”.

He said that according to the ‘Mortgage Law of the TRNC’, the creditor, before mortgaging the property, is obliged to search and see whether other people have any right on the mortgaged property or not. “The law obligates the creditor to name even a tenant residing on the property,” Bora said.

The prominent Turkish Cypriot lawyer said he would also seek compensation for the “great suffering and damage to our clients” caused by the bank’s efforts to possess the properties. Examples of the suffering caused, apart from the actual eviction of some of the residents, range from attempting to run one homeowner down with a car to changing locks while residents were out. The residents say they have also been treated with contempt by the Turkish Cypriot authorities and are under regularly harassed by the local police.

“Akfinans Bank, instead of searching for legal opinion and waiting for Courts’ decisions, escalated its efforts against our clients. The Bank tried to throw our clients out of their homes before any courts’ decision,” Bora said, adding: “The homebuyers at Kulaks?z have been in possession of their homes since 2004. The husband of one of the homebuyers died a year ago and she had to go to England. The Bank tried to use this opportunity, changed the locks of her house and moved in,”

Bora’s statement also hit out at Akfinans’ efforts to gag the press by saying, “The Bank is trying to get an injunction from the court to stop the press reporting. This is something unheard of in the world. This is an unbelievable breach of human rights”. Earlier this month Akfinans managed to secure an injunction on media outlets in the north from reporting on the case. However, a court repealed it after just a few days of its being in place.

Bora will also attempt to sue Akfinans for charging what he believes were extortionate rates of interest on the loan to the Kulaksiz developers. He will do this despite the fact that currently there are no laws in the north limiting the amount of interest that can be charged on a bank loan. In this particular case, Bora says Akfinans charged a rate of 250 per cent, which, when Kulaksiz defaulted, gave the bank the “right” to seize nine houses on the Kulaksiz plot in the village of Vasilli.

The lawyer says that although the case is still ongoing, he has already applied to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasburg for a hearing on his clients’ behalf because he does not have faith courts in the north will act fast enough to provide justice to his elderly clients.

“Normally one has to exhaust all local remedies before going to the European Court of Human Rights, but in exceptional circumstances it is possible,” he said.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/british-expa ... h/20110421

...and from the comments on the Cyprus Mail website:

Aglangiotis A
So carpetbaggers can go to the ECHR to reclaim their property, but the Greek Cypriots who are the real owners of this property have to go to the IPC?
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:30 pm

CBBB wrote:Harassed home buyers to sue cheating bank in the north

By Simon Bahceli
Published on April 21, 2011

A GROUP of British expats who fell foul of dodgy land developers in the north have launched legal proceedings against a bank that they say acted illegally in seeking to repossess their properties.

Privately-owned Akfinans Bank faces accusations of accepting as collateral properties already sold to the expats when it provided a loan of 41,600 pounds sterling to a firm known as Kulaksiz Developments in 2004.

When Kulaksiz defaulted on the loan, Akfinans moved to possess the nine properties it had developed in the coastal village of Vasilli. This it did despite the fact that the purchasers of the properties had no knowledge of the loan. The owners of Kulaksiz have allegedly since absconded to Turkey.

The British purchasers of the nine properties say they have never had relations with the bank, and that they will fight to retain or regain the houses they paid for. While two families have already been evicted, the remaining seven properties remain occupied by the families Akfinans hope to evict.

The case again highlights the perils of purchasing property in north Cyprus, where over 80 per cent of sales involve properties owned by Greek Cypriots. The Kulaksiz development too was build on Greek Cypriot-owned land.

Akfinans Bank and a lawyer representing it refused to comment yesterday, but the bank will face accusations that it acted illegally when it sought to possess properties from people to whom it did not supply the loan.

“The Bank does not have any legal right to acquire the homes of our clients,” a statement from Boysan Bora, the lawyer acting on behalf of the expats, said in a press statement. It added that “any agreement made in the absence of our clients, and any decision given by any authority without them being informed, is null and void”.

He said that according to the ‘Mortgage Law of the TRNC’, the creditor, before mortgaging the property, is obliged to search and see whether other people have any right on the mortgaged property or not. “The law obligates the creditor to name even a tenant residing on the property,” Bora said.

The prominent Turkish Cypriot lawyer said he would also seek compensation for the “great suffering and damage to our clients” caused by the bank’s efforts to possess the properties. Examples of the suffering caused, apart from the actual eviction of some of the residents, range from attempting to run one homeowner down with a car to changing locks while residents were out. The residents say they have also been treated with contempt by the Turkish Cypriot authorities and are under regularly harassed by the local police.

“Akfinans Bank, instead of searching for legal opinion and waiting for Courts’ decisions, escalated its efforts against our clients. The Bank tried to throw our clients out of their homes before any courts’ decision,” Bora said, adding: “The homebuyers at Kulaks?z have been in possession of their homes since 2004. The husband of one of the homebuyers died a year ago and she had to go to England. The Bank tried to use this opportunity, changed the locks of her house and moved in,”

Bora’s statement also hit out at Akfinans’ efforts to gag the press by saying, “The Bank is trying to get an injunction from the court to stop the press reporting. This is something unheard of in the world. This is an unbelievable breach of human rights”. Earlier this month Akfinans managed to secure an injunction on media outlets in the north from reporting on the case. However, a court repealed it after just a few days of its being in place.

Bora will also attempt to sue Akfinans for charging what he believes were extortionate rates of interest on the loan to the Kulaksiz developers. He will do this despite the fact that currently there are no laws in the north limiting the amount of interest that can be charged on a bank loan. In this particular case, Bora says Akfinans charged a rate of 250 per cent, which, when Kulaksiz defaulted, gave the bank the “right” to seize nine houses on the Kulaksiz plot in the village of Vasilli.

The lawyer says that although the case is still ongoing, he has already applied to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasburg for a hearing on his clients’ behalf because he does not have faith courts in the north will act fast enough to provide justice to his elderly clients.

“Normally one has to exhaust all local remedies before going to the European Court of Human Rights, but in exceptional circumstances it is possible,” he said.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/british-expa ... h/20110421

...and from the comments on the Cyprus Mail website:

Aglangiotis A
So carpetbaggers can go to the ECHR to reclaim their property, but the Greek Cypriots who are the real owners of this property have to go to the IPC?


The above is a very amusing story, specially when it refers to Human Rights violations of those who knowingly bought stolen GC properties, the legal system in the north and the Akfinans bank charging a rate of 250 per cent interest on a loan of £41,600. :lol:

Did you know, that at 250% interest rate on £41,600 over 6 year period the compounded interest on that loan would be about £10,156,000 pounds. :shock:

I'm sure there were no collusion :lol: between the Akfinans Bank and Kulaksiz (without ears) when agreeing on this loan at 250% just so to screw these (deservedly) Carpetbaggers. :wink: :lol:

If currently there are no laws in the north limiting the amount of interest that can be charged on a bank loan, then we can expect the same to happen to other Carpetbaggers in a similar fashion when a lender (bank) and the borrower (developer) also collude over how to screw the Carpetbaggers Royally by the borrower taking a small loan out on the developed land at extremely HIGH interest rates which the Carpetbaggers bought and do not have any legal deeds for them (ROC deeds). Most Carpetbaggers do not even have fake deeds (trnc deeds) for the properties they had already paid for. I guess they have forgotten the old saying, "what goes around, comes around".

The truth is, these scheming morally corrupt Carpetbaggers got screwed by a bigger morally corrupted schemers. :lol:

No wonder these morally corrupted schemers are all NeoPartitoinist and do not want to be in the EU also. It will mean giving up on, "the Goose that lays the Golden eggs." :lol:

Isn't that right, VP.? :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:34 pm

There are laws against charging this sort of interest rate.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:There are laws against charging this sort of interest rate.


Bora will also attempt to sue Akfinans for charging what he believes were extortionate rates of interest on the loan to the Kulaksiz developers. He will do this despite the fact that currently there are no laws in the north limiting the amount of interest that can be charged on a bank loan.


So what you are saying is, that the Carpetbaggers got themselves a know nothing lawyer (Bora) to help them with their cases.?

It gets even funnier. :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:46 pm

He obviously has over looked the fact that there are laws which restrict the maximum that can be charged he will win that case.
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Postby apc2010 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:49 pm

Viewpoint wrote:He obviously has over looked the fact that there are laws which restrict the maximum that can be charged he will win that case.



Good lawyer then .......
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