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[bill cobbett]

Birkibrisli,you have forgotten my advice. You are talking to a stone wall, these people have long taken a divorse from reality. Their irrational and bysmal adherence to what they consider to be their greekness has clouded their judgment irreversibly. In the sme manner they lightly dismissed the Annan Plan, they dismissed some 13 other plans since 1948 before the dreaded one. Each dismissal, coated of course with patriotic nonsense,has brought disaster one step nearer. Still they never learn but they remain super patriotic of course ...

Did we dismiss the plan for a truly free Cyprus where the Cypriot people can freely and democratically decide the destiny of their own island?

Let me propose some things to you:

- Shoot your brains off with a gun.
- Jump off a 100m high cliff
- Cut your veins with a knife
- Tie a 50 kg rock on your neck and jump in the sea

I am sure others will have many more proposals to offer to you on how to end your life. And if your aim is to end your life, then surely you should take one of the proposals the soonest.

But we don't need proposals on how to suicide, so we will reject any such proposals regardless if they 3, 13 or 1033.

What we want is our freedom, so we will freely and democratically rule our own island, and suicide is hardly a viable alternative to freedom.

Isn't the prob that the representatives of the Good People of the Free Areas of the Republic signed, and re-signed, and re-signed the Suicide Note again and again????

[BirKibrisli]

In a few words: You are not Cypriot. Neither is Downer. What we want is not the status quo. What we want is Liberation. All Turkish troops out of Cyprus, all settlers out of Cyprus, all refugees back to their homes, freedom to our whole island. This is what solution means. Nothing else is a solution and that is why we will accept nothing else.

Turkish troops and settlers will be out of Cyprus as soon as a fair and lasting solution is found!...If you insist that Cyprus is a Greek island,and try to outmanouver the TCs and Turkey out of the equation,you will get nowhere,as in our recent past...The choice is yours...

The Turks are the disease of our island. Take the Turks out of the equation and all the problems of Cyprus are solved. Have the Turks in the equation and they will continue to fuck up our island.

The real disease of Cyprus are those GCs who think they are Greeks,and have been trying to unite with their imaginary 'motherland'..when no one is left who believes Cyprus is a Greek island there will be no need for any Turkish troops...Lets exterminate fanatical Greek nationalism once and for all,we will all feel much better,even you ,Sotos!

[Paphitis]

In a few words: You are not Cypriot. Neither is Downer. What we want is not the status quo. What we want is Liberation. All Turkish troops out of Cyprus, all settlers out of Cyprus, all refugees back to their homes, freedom to our whole island. This is what solution means. Nothing else is a solution and that is why we will accept nothing else.

Turkish troops and settlers will be out of Cyprus as soon as a fair and lasting solution is found!...If you insist that Cyprus is a Greek island,and try to outmanouver the TCs and Turkey out of the equation,you will get nowhere,as in our recent past...The choice is yours...

The Turks are the disease of our island. Take the Turks out of the equation and all the problems of Cyprus are solved. Have the Turks in the equation and they will continue to fuck up our island.

The real disease of Cyprus are those GCs who think they are Greeks,and have been trying to unite with their imaginary 'motherland'..when no one is left who believes Cyprus is a Greek island there will be no need for any Turkish troops...Lets exterminate fanatical Greek nationalism once and for all,we will all feel much better,even you ,Sotos!

The real disease in Cyprus are the TCs. No other nation in the world has been seriously inflicted with such a treacherous bunch of gypsies!

We are Greeks, and we shall remain independant as a nation thank you, and there is nothing Turkey can ever do about that.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't consider NOT EVEN ONE OF THE TCs in this forum or in real life out there to be the "disease" of Cyprus, or to be any different than the GCs. If there was love and understanding between the people of Cyprus, and if both the GCs and the TCs were not infected by the disease of Nationalism, Cyprus would be a paradise today.
The real disease of Nationalism brought catastrophy to the Cypriots that did not end by 1963,1974 it still continues. Whereas the GCs were lucky enough to escape Enosis with (what is today a Bankrupt state), the TCs were not so lucky and are still in the trap the straggling web of the spider called Turkey.

This is our problem today in other words how to re-unify our country and get the TCs out of the web without us (the GCs getting trapped into it as well).

Together we can, but this means ALL TOGETHER.

[cymart]

Well said Pyrpolizer,but saying it is one thing,getting people here to accept and believe it is another......
Despite your optimism,I find it hard to believe that Turkey will ever completely leave Cyprus to the E.U.-the way they have been behaving recently it is as if they already know they will never be allowed to join and are already looking in other directions,something that will be very bad for Cyprus!

[yorgozlu]

There is a 'start' point in everything,cymart.

[Bananiot]

Unfortunately I share your pessimism cymart, at least at this moment of time. However, it was so refreshingto read Pyrpolyser's comments.

[Piratis]

Birkibrisli,you have forgotten my advice. You are talking to a stone wall, these people have long taken a divorse from reality. Their irrational and bysmal adherence to what they consider to be their greekness has clouded their judgment irreversibly. In the sme manner they lightly dismissed the Annan Plan, they dismissed some 13 other plans since 1948 before the dreaded one. Each dismissal, coated of course with patriotic nonsense,has brought disaster one step nearer. Still they never learn but they remain super patriotic of course ...

Did we dismiss the plan for a truly free Cyprus where the Cypriot people can freely and democratically decide the destiny of their own island?

Let me propose some things to you:

- Shoot your brains off with a gun.
- Jump off a 100m high cliff
- Cut your veins with a knife
- Tie a 50 kg rock on your neck and jump in the sea

I am sure others will have many more proposals to offer to you on how to end your life. And if your aim is to end your life, then surely you should take one of the proposals the soonest.

But we don't need proposals on how to suicide, so we will reject any such proposals regardless if they 3, 13 or 1033.

What we want is our freedom, so we will freely and democratically rule our own island, and suicide is hardly a viable alternative to freedom.

Isn't the prob that the representatives of the Good People of the Free Areas of the Republic signed, and re-signed, and re-signed the Suicide Note again and again????

The treaty of guarantee is also something they signed, but was recently found to be legally invalid by the Council of Europe.

Similarly, all the signatures of our leaders during the last 50+ years were extracted by means of brute force and blackmail and did not represent the free will of the Cypriot people. Therefore for me, and I believe most Cypriots, those signatures mean absolutely nothing, and we are not going to honor a signature which was extracted by such dishonest means.

Today Turkey keeps 1/3rd of our island as hostage, and they continue to blackmail us in an effort to get what they want. Nothing that comes out of such blackmail can be called a "solution" and this should be perfectly clear to all Cypriots.

[Paphitis]

I don't consider NOT EVEN ONE OF THE TCs in this forum or in real life out there to be the "disease" of Cyprus, or to be any different than the GCs. If there was love and understanding between the people of Cyprus, and if both the GCs and the TCs were not infected by the disease of Nationalism, Cyprus would be a paradise today.
The real disease of Nationalism brought catastrophy to the Cypriots that did not end by 1963,1974 it still continues. Whereas the GCs were lucky enough to escape Enosis with (what is today a Bankrupt state), the TCs were not so lucky and are still in the trap the straggling web of the spider called Turkey.

This is our problem today in other words how to re-unify our country and get the TCs out of the web without us (the GCs getting trapped into it as well).

Together we can, but this means ALL TOGETHER.

Sure Pyro, I agree with everything you say.

But when will they start behaving like Cypriots, loyal to their island and their kin? I have been called a traiter many times here, which doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Why am I labelled a traiter and a neo nationalist? Is it because I am proud of Cyprus, our contributions and maintain a level of pride in my inheritance which for me is Hellenic. Why should I and others change? Why are we falsely labelled neo nationalist and Junta supporters. I have never supported ENOSIS in the past and never will in the future. Why must I and others abandon our roots to prove this?

Sure, there are many good TCs out there. But the majority will screw you and your family without any hesitation. There is no compromise from their side. You just wait and see what they will propose, and then tell me if you could ever live in such a fucked up country and not migrate elsewhere as a responsible parent I think you are!

Their mission is the slow and methodical Turkification of the entire island.

[Piratis]

Well said Pyrpolizer,but saying it is one thing,getting people here to accept and believe it is another......
Despite your optimism,I find it hard to believe that Turkey will ever completely leave Cyprus to the E.U.-the way they have been behaving recently it is as if they already know they will never be allowed to join and are already looking in other directions,something that will be very bad for Cyprus!

Turkey looking in other directions (away from EU and the West) is the best thing that can happen to Cyprus. In fact, that is the only way that could potentially lead to a the liberation of the north part of our island.

With Turkey close to EU and the West, not only the chances of liberating the north part of Cyprus are minimal, but we also run the risk of having something like Annan plan imposed in Cyprus which would lead to the official Turkification of the north part of our island.